Do you trust anyone in the NFC?

Cobra Mgr · 10-16-2018, 12:19 AM

Besides the Rams?

Everybody on that half of the league looks like a bunch of maybes.

Ragnar · 10-16-2018, 12:39 AM

Rams in the NFC. Pats/Chiefs/Steelers AFC. nothing else to see.

psd · 10-16-2018, 08:49 AM

I would have the Ravens ahead of the Steelers. The Steelers have allowed twice as many points as the Ravens. I mean I'm not saying the Steelers won't be there in the end, but if I had to choose right now, my vote goes to the Ravens. Plus the Ravens already beat the Steelers. In the Steelers own building.

As far as the NFC, Rams and nobody else. At least right now.

Bluenoser · 10-16-2018, 09:51 AM

Too early to hand the Conference to anyone yet. The Saints are for real and no way I'm counting out the Vikings or Eagles this early.

As the old saying goes - it's not how you start the season, it's how you finish it that matters.

Edit - the next 3 weeks will tell if the Saints are for real or not

@ Baltimore
@ Minnesota
vs Rams

Cobra Mgr · 10-16-2018, 10:01 AM

12 of the NFC's 16 teams have 2 or 3 wins.

Ragnar · 10-16-2018, 11:10 AM

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I would have the Ravens ahead of the Steelers. The Steelers have allowed twice as many points as the Ravens. I mean I'm not saying the Steelers won't be there in the end, but if I had to choose right now, my vote goes to the Ravens. Plus the Ravens already beat the Steelers. In the Steelers own building.

As far as the NFC, Rams and nobody else. At least right now.

If you think that, and I'm not saying you're wrong, then just cross off the Steelers and leave it at Pats/Chiefs.

psd · 10-16-2018, 12:29 PM

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If you think that, and I'm not saying you're wrong, then just cross off the Steelers and leave it at Pats/Chiefs.

Why? I would have it Pats-Chiefs-Ravens. Why leave them off? I don't follow?

And I am in no way a fan of that Baltimore team. I despise them. But their defense looks very formidable. At least so far.

Ragnar · 10-16-2018, 12:58 PM

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Why? I would have it Pats-Chiefs-Ravens. Why leave them off? I don't follow?

And I am in no way a fan of that Baltimore team. I despise them. But their defense looks very formidable. At least so far.

I'll tell you the reason. The Ravens may have a good defense but not a dominating defense. Only a dominating defense will swamp really good offenses like the 2013 Broncos and a 100 other supposedly great offenses that got their lunch money taken from them. The Ravens do not have that defense. In the AFC the offense will dictate who goes to the super bowl because there is no really good defense. The NFC may be the opposite. But that remains to be seen.

psd · 10-16-2018, 10:28 PM

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I'll tell you the reason. The Ravens may have a good defense but not a dominating defense. Only a dominating defense will swamp really good offenses like the 2013 Broncos and a 100 other supposedly great offenses that got their lunch money taken from them. The Ravens do not have that defense. In the AFC the offense will dictate who goes to the super bowl because there is no really good defense. The NFC may be the opposite. But that remains to be seen.

Which is why I ranked them third, not first. They wont beat NE or KC offense. but they will stop most other offenses that the AFC throws at them. They have so far anyways, including Pittsburgh. Of course a lot can change and probably will. But considering they already beat Pitt handily in their own building, you have to give them their due at least right now.

Ragnar · 10-16-2018, 10:48 PM

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Which is why I ranked them third, not first. They wont beat NE or KC offense. but they will stop most other offenses that the AFC throws at them. They have so far anyways, including Pittsburgh. Of course a lot can change and probably will. But considering they already beat Pitt handily in their own building, you have to give them their due at least right now.

That doesn't mean much to me. The Bills stomped the Vikings in their own building too. Pitt, like the Patriots, can sometimes take several weeks to warm up. If you're right about the Ravens then yes, they'd be a 3rd pick. I wasn't trying to make a 3rd pick. I was considering Pitt an equal. But that is provided they do warm up as the season moves along, which I expect they will. They're the only other team with an offense capable of keeping up with the other two.

psd · 10-16-2018, 11:01 PM

You are probably right. But all the info I have right now is what I go on, not what might be.

Ragnar · 10-17-2018, 11:58 AM

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You are probably right. But all the info I have right now is what I go on, not what might be.

Hey, cool. I'm not trying to tell you anything, just my opinion. But my opinion tells me offense goes to the super bowl in the AFC. Defense goes in the NFC. If the D is good enough, NFC wins the SB.

damientheomen3 · 10-19-2018, 12:37 AM

Pittsburgh was set to regress heavily this season with the loss of Ryan Shazier, their defense became a sieve once he got hurt last season and this year they look terrible on that side of the ball. They have a strong offense but they aren't a player in the AFC as Ben has been inconsistent this season.

And I don't understand you being against the Ravens either. Solid O-line, passing game isn't great but is well constructed with 500 tight ends, a deep threat (John Brown), a possession guy (Willie Snead), and an overpaid vet (Michael Crabtree). And then defensively, they're the only team allowing under 300 yards a game and have allowed 19 less points than any other team. In their lone bad performance, allowing 34 to Cincinnati, they lost their best defensive player in CJ Mosley on the opening defensive drive. They were also without their best corner in Jimmy Smith for the first four games due to suspension. I hate the Ravens, but their defense is legit and their offense is good enough to push them to the division win considering that defense.

As far as the NFC goes, no I don't trust any team aside from the Rams. The Vikings' O-line is poor, the ground game hadn't scored until this past Sunday, and the defense hasn't played up to its ability although they have the talent to bounce back. The Eagles need their O-line to play back up to last season's level for them to find their consistency again. I do think Wentz will catch fire in the second half of the season as he gets more comfortable but the Eagles' secondary needs to play better with more teams mitigating their formidable pass rush by throwing quick passes, which will be tough considering all their injuries out there. All in all I think come playoff time the Eagles will be easier to trust than the Vikings as it all comes back to the QBs and Cousins is known to make mistakes in crunch time.

Ragnar · 11-09-2018, 12:49 AM

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Rams in the NFC. Pats/Chiefs/Steelers AFC. nothing else to see.

I'll have to make a slight alteration.

NFC - Saints/Rams

AFC - Pats/Chiefs/Steelers

Ragnar · 01-16-2019, 09:04 PM

This season wasn't too hard to predict. The Steelers wet the bed however.

damientheomen3 · 01-17-2019, 10:41 PM

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Pittsburgh was set to regress heavily this season with the loss of Ryan Shazier, their defense became a sieve once he got hurt last season and this year they look terrible on that side of the ball. They have a strong offense but they aren't a player in the AFC as Ben has been inconsistent this season.

And I don't understand you being against the Ravens either. Solid O-line, passing game isn't great but is well constructed with 500 tight ends, a deep threat (John Brown), a possession guy (Willie Snead), and an overpaid vet (Michael Crabtree). And then defensively, they're the only team allowing under 300 yards a game and have allowed 19 less points than any other team. In their lone bad performance, allowing 34 to Cincinnati, they lost their best defensive player in CJ Mosley on the opening defensive drive. They were also without their best corner in Jimmy Smith for the first four games due to suspension. I hate the Ravens, but their defense is legit and their offense is good enough to push them to the division win considering that defense.

As far as the NFC goes, no I don't trust any team aside from the Rams. The Vikings' O-line is poor, the ground game hadn't scored until this past Sunday, and the defense hasn't played up to its ability although they have the talent to bounce back. The Eagles need their O-line to play back up to last season's level for them to find their consistency again. I do think Wentz will catch fire in the second half of the season as he gets more comfortable but the Eagles' secondary needs to play better with more teams mitigating their formidable pass rush by throwing quick passes, which will be tough considering all their injuries out there. All in all I think come playoff time the Eagles will be easier to trust than the Vikings as it all comes back to the QBs and Cousins is known to make mistakes in crunch time.

Don't call me a luminary.

Cobra Mgr · 01-17-2019, 11:55 PM

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Don't call me a luminary.

I'll try......

Ragnar · 01-18-2019, 12:25 PM

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I'll try......

He did get the Steelers spot on. I thought I was going to be right on them when they were 7-2-1 at one point. Then they crapped all over themselves. Even losing to the Raiders.

As far as this week goes, I'm thinking the Patriots/Saints or Chiefs/Rams. Only three other times since 1970 has both away teams gone to the Super Bowl. I wouldn't bet on a 4th even though this time around has a good chance.

Cobra Mgr · 01-18-2019, 12:33 PM

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He did get the Steelers spot on. I thought I was going to be right on them when they were 7-2-1 at one point. Then they crapped all over themselves. Even losing to the Raiders.

My post was more towards calling himself a "luminary". I think he was thinking of "visionary".

Ragnar · 01-19-2019, 01:02 PM

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My post was more towards calling himself a "luminary". I think he was thinking of "visionary".

Oh ok. I didn't catch that. My mind just automatically assumed what he meant. Either that or I'm just too stupid to know the difference.

10-16-2018, 12:19 AM	#1
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 2,280 Thanks: 245 Thanked 404x in 300 posts	Do you trust anyone in the NFC? Besides the Rams? Everybody on that half of the league looks like a bunch of maybes. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance

10-16-2018, 08:49 AM	#3
psd Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: UConn Territory Posts: 464 Thanks: 111 Thanked 177x in 89 posts	I would have the Ravens ahead of the Steelers. The Steelers have allowed twice as many points as the Ravens. I mean I'm not saying the Steelers won't be there in the end, but if I had to choose right now, my vote goes to the Ravens. Plus the Ravens already beat the Steelers. In the Steelers own building. As far as the NFC, Rams and nobody else. At least right now. __________________ We satisfy our endless needs & justify our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny, & in the name of God. Don Henley Last edited by psd; 10-16-2018 at 08:53 AM.

10-16-2018, 09:51 AM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dartmouth, NS Posts: 11,134 Thanks: 1,128 Thanked 3,409x in 2,054 posts	Too early to hand the Conference to anyone yet. The Saints are for real and no way I'm counting out the Vikings or Eagles this early. As the old saying goes - it's not how you start the season, it's how you finish it that matters. Edit - the next 3 weeks will tell if the Saints are for real or not @ Baltimore @ Minnesota vs Rams __________________ "I don't think a manager should be judged by whether he wins the pennant, but by whether he gets the most out of the twenty-five men he's been given." Chuck Tanner Last edited by Bluenoser; 10-16-2018 at 09:59 AM.

10-16-2018, 10:01 AM	#5
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 2,280 Thanks: 245 Thanked 404x in 300 posts	12 of the NFC's 16 teams have 2 or 3 wins. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance

10-16-2018, 11:01 PM	#11
psd Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: UConn Territory Posts: 464 Thanks: 111 Thanked 177x in 89 posts	You are probably right. But all the info I have right now is what I go on, not what might be. __________________ We satisfy our endless needs & justify our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny, & in the name of God. Don Henley

10-16-2018, 12:39 AM	#2
Ragnar All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,633 Thanks: 8 Thanked 133x in 107 posts	Rams in the NFC. Pats/Chiefs/Steelers AFC. nothing else to see.

01-16-2019, 09:04 PM	#15
Ragnar All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,633 Thanks: 8 Thanked 133x in 107 posts	This season wasn't too hard to predict. The Steelers wet the bed however.