Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP Update 20.6 - OOTP 20 Available - FHM 5 Available

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Prior Versions of Our Games > Out of the Park Baseball 14 > OOTP 14 - General Discussions

OOTP 14 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2013 version of Out of the Park Baseball here!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-12-2014, 11:07 AM   #1
SeattlePikes
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 posts
NEED HELP - Last yr's MVP in HUGE slump

I'm at wits end. My best player and last year's run away MVP is starting this season with an unbelievably bad slump and it keeps getting worse. My whole team is in the worst slump since I took over 5 seasons ago and I don't know how to get them to pull out.

Does anyone have any advice???!

2B - Jorge Martinez

2016: .251/.402/.384 in 111 games
2017: .273/.436/.473 in 153 games
2018: .342/.492/.622 in 127 games
2019: .200/.394/.327 in 48 games
__________________
Follow Pikes baseball all year round right here!
Seattle · https://seattlepikes.wordpress.com/

Seattle Pikes Est. 2014
***2014, 2015, & 2018 CL WEST CHAMPIONS***
SeattlePikes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 02:28 PM   #2
bwburke94
Hall Of Famer
 
bwburke94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belchertown, MA, USA
Posts: 3,868
Thanks: 259
Thanked 1,445x in 917 posts
Either bad luck or screwy park factors is what I'm thinking, but I'm trending towards bad luck.
__________________
Normal sig coming back when I have the time to update it.
bwburke94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 02:34 PM   #3
Padreman
Hall Of Famer
 
Padreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.)
Posts: 4,129
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 4,284
Thanked 2,024x in 982 posts
Just power ahead everyone hits slumps ever multiple MVP winners in my league have slumps or off seasons they usually bounce back
__________________

Chargers= Despicable Traitors
Padreman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 03:21 PM   #4
SeattlePikes
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 posts
Thanks guys. I really don't have much choice so i'm gonna have to I guess. Gonna try him in the #5 spot next sim.
__________________
Follow Pikes baseball all year round right here!
Seattle · https://seattlepikes.wordpress.com/

Seattle Pikes Est. 2014
***2014, 2015, & 2018 CL WEST CHAMPIONS***
SeattlePikes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 03:47 PM   #5
Charlie Hough
Hall Of Famer
 
Charlie Hough's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,986
Thanks: 109
Thanked 1,118x in 585 posts
Sit the guy down for some games. Then use him in some good matchups where he's facing a pitcher who's bad against batters of his handedness. You could bench him and then try pinch hitting with him a couple of times, but only when you've got a good matchup. That might get him a couple of hits and snap him out of the cold spell.
Charlie Hough is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 03:58 PM   #6
Honorable_Pawn
Hall Of Famer
 
Honorable_Pawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 6,407
Thanks: 4,129
Thanked 3,899x in 2,140 posts


Dump his ass...Slacker!!
Honorable_Pawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 04:17 PM   #7
Doc_Brown
All Star Starter
 
Doc_Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,324
Thanks: 694
Thanked 756x in 414 posts
Get him (back) on the juice.
Doc_Brown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 04:32 PM   #8
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 14,646
Thanks: 5,251
Thanked 5,174x in 3,162 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattlePikes View Post
I'm at wits end. My best player and last year's run away MVP is starting this season with an unbelievably bad slump and it keeps getting worse. My whole team is in the worst slump since I took over 5 seasons ago and I don't know how to get them to pull out.

Does anyone have any advice???!

2B - Jorge Martinez

2016: .251/.402/.384 in 111 games
2017: .273/.436/.473 in 153 games
2018: .342/.492/.622 in 127 games
2019: .200/.394/.327 in 48 games
He's in a slump but it looks worse when compared to 2018. He is a 0.260-0.290 hitter who obviously takes plenty of BB. His OBP is better than good so he's not a black hole in the lineup. Looks like he is paying the BABIP tax on last seasons luck. By any chance did you lose another hitter that may have been complementary to him? Where does he normally hit in the order?

With his OBP I wouldn't sit him but you may want to give him a couple of days off in the next two weeks. I'd keep him in his regular spot unless it's killing your offense.
__________________
Cheers

RichW

"We're supposed to stand up to discrimination, and we're sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to Nazi sympathizers. How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?"

So much for personality. Albert Belle, a complete nut job was never traded and was the highest paid player in the game, twice!

#Alternativefacts=lies
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 04:44 PM   #9
JohnHoward
All Star Reserve
 
JohnHoward's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 624
Thanks: 466
Thanked 393x in 209 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattlePikes View Post
Thanks guys. I really don't have much choice so i'm gonna have to I guess. Gonna try him in the #5 spot next sim.
Don't bat him #5. Bat him #2. Put him between your lead-off hitter and your best #3 hitter and give him a few weeks, and he will bust out. The number 2 spot is the best cure for slumps ever, guaranteed.
JohnHoward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 04:54 PM   #10
Honorable_Pawn
Hall Of Famer
 
Honorable_Pawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 6,407
Thanks: 4,129
Thanked 3,899x in 2,140 posts
I'm going to have to agree with Charlie here. Every time I see a player go in a slump (especially a pitcher "in-game") I just know that an injury is coming. So, I'd spot start him for 7-10 days and set him up in good spots on off-days and try to dodge that season-ending injury that is looming right around the corner.
Honorable_Pawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 05:29 PM   #11
Lucas718
Minors (Triple A)
 
Lucas718's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 275
Thanks: 63
Thanked 27x in 17 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattlePikes View Post
I'm at wits end. My best player and last year's run away MVP is starting this season with an unbelievably bad slump and it keeps getting worse. My whole team is in the worst slump since I took over 5 seasons ago and I don't know how to get them to pull out.

Does anyone have any advice???!

2B - Jorge Martinez

2016: .251/.402/.384 in 111 games
2017: .273/.436/.473 in 153 games
2018: .342/.492/.622 in 127 games
2019: .200/.394/.327 in 48 games
I've played through many seasons and have seen this happen a lot. It seems to be the game's way of keeping guys from deviating too far from their career average.
Lucas718 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2014, 06:32 PM   #12
Raidergoo
Hall Of Famer
 
Raidergoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 8,982
Thanks: 498
Thanked 596x in 305 posts
You need a live chicken.

Really, I see no reason to panic. Just let him ride it out and he'll hit .265 by years end. You need to prepare yourself that 2018 was an aberration, not a new performance level, and enjoy it for what it was worth.
Raidergoo is offline   Reply With Quote
4 thanks for this post:
nebradska (03-12-2014), RchW (03-12-2014), shawa666 (03-13-2014), TGH-Adfabre (03-12-2014)
Old 03-12-2014, 08:13 PM   #13
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 14,646
Thanks: 5,251
Thanked 5,174x in 3,162 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas718 View Post
I've played through many seasons and have seen this happen a lot. It seems to be the game's way of keeping guys from deviating too far from their career average.


Help me understand. Are you saying career batting average? He has not quite 3 seasons worth of stats based on games played and his cumulative career BA has fluctuated wildly. Are you saying that his future stats will be manipulated to stay close to his current CBA of 0.278? If not then please elaborate. That doesn't make sense to me.
__________________
Cheers

RichW

"We're supposed to stand up to discrimination, and we're sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to Nazi sympathizers. How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?"

So much for personality. Albert Belle, a complete nut job was never traded and was the highest paid player in the game, twice!

#Alternativefacts=lies
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 09:21 AM   #14
tejdog1
All Star Starter
 
tejdog1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Danbury, CT
Posts: 1,417
Thanks: 371
Thanked 608x in 336 posts
Looks like he's a .260/.400/.440 ish hitter who played out of his MIND in 2018.

I'd be expecting an OPS around .820-.860 rather than the 1.100.
__________________
It's amazing
How you make your face just like a wall
How you take your heart and turn it off
How I turn my head and lose it all

And it's unnerving
How just one move puts me by myself
There you go just trusting someone else
Now I know I put us both through hell

~Matchbox 20, "Leave"

Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade
tejdog1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 05:40 PM   #15
Lucas718
Minors (Triple A)
 
Lucas718's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 275
Thanks: 63
Thanked 27x in 17 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RchW View Post


Help me understand. Are you saying career batting average? He has not quite 3 seasons worth of stats based on games played and his cumulative career BA has fluctuated wildly. Are you saying that his future stats will be manipulated to stay close to his current CBA of 0.278? If not then please elaborate. That doesn't make sense to me.
What I'm saying is when the game creates a player, it creates a stats baseline for him. Open any player and click on the editor tab and you'll see the stats line which will give you an idea of what to expect from a player in a given year discounting things like park effects, aging, and any of the other modifiers.

My opinion, based on what I've seen, is that if a player has a year that significantly deviates from that stats baseline, then you can expect a statistical correction to follow that will bring him back closer to those baseline stats.

I haven't examined this too closely to say for sure this is what is going on, but it seems to explain what I've seen. I did just look at a newly created international free agent that my scout just emailed me about. He's only 16, so his baseline stats are incredibly low - so maybe these numbers change over time. Again, I haven't really examined it that closely.

Last edited by Lucas718; 03-13-2014 at 08:53 PM. Reason: added info about the rookie
Lucas718 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2014, 06:22 PM   #16
Honorable_Pawn
Hall Of Famer
 
Honorable_Pawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 6,407
Thanks: 4,129
Thanked 3,899x in 2,140 posts
In stats we call that regression towards the mean.
Honorable_Pawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 02:38 AM   #17
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 14,646
Thanks: 5,251
Thanked 5,174x in 3,162 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas718 View Post
What I'm saying is when the game creates a player, it creates a stats baseline for him. Open any player and click on the editor tab and you'll see the stats line which will give you an idea of what to expect from a player in a given year discounting things like park effects, aging, and any of the other modifiers.

My opinion, based on what I've seen, is that if a player has a year that significantly deviates from that stats baseline, then you can expect a statistical correction to follow that will bring him back closer to those baseline stats.

I haven't examined this too closely to say for sure this is what is going on, but it seems to explain what I've seen. I did just look at a newly created international free agent that my scout just emailed me about. He's only 16, so his baseline stats are incredibly low - so maybe these numbers change over time. Again, I haven't really examined it that closely.
The development engine makes this "baseline" variable. It's not a yearly thing. I'd say the ratings make the "baseline", not the other way around. Ratings are relative not absolute. A 19 year old prospect will not carry the same ratings/baseline as the future 28 year old 3 time MVP version of himself. So as a player gets rating boosts and hits the stats baseline will change even within a season.

The point is; there is no built in "career" adjustment. A player who consistently over or under achieves will show ratings changes consistent with his performance. I see it as the beating heart of OOTP. A very realistic player development, plateau and decline.
__________________
Cheers

RichW

"We're supposed to stand up to discrimination, and we're sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to Nazi sympathizers. How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?"

So much for personality. Albert Belle, a complete nut job was never traded and was the highest paid player in the game, twice!

#Alternativefacts=lies
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2014, 08:48 AM   #18
JMDurron
All Star Starter
 
JMDurron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,257
Thanks: 439
Thanked 725x in 383 posts
When this kind of scenario happens in real life, there's sometimes a personal storyline behind it - a painful divorce (his wife discovered all the tail the guy pulled during his 2018 campaign, and is now taking him to the cleaners in the middle of the season), a child with a severe illness being treated behind the scenes (this happened with JD Drew in his first year in Boston, I believe), or the death of a parent.

Or, perhaps he just caught something from one of his roadies (statistically, probably in Baltimore), and he's symptomatic right now.

Slumps happen, but really impressive, severe ones weave into the fabric of real life once you overlay your own backstory a little bit onto some of these players.
JMDurron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2014, 12:03 PM   #19
SeattlePikes
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 posts
Still not much luck over the past week. I'm putting him #2 in the line up hoping that if nothing else, at least he can continue to force some walks. My whole team is in a historic slump (batting .220 vs. .250 for the past 5 seasons). Month over month he keeps getting worse too. Thankfully we'll be ending this 13 game road trip against some mediocre teams so hopefully things will pick up.

Current stats:
.217/.392/.363 212ABs
__________________
Follow Pikes baseball all year round right here!
Seattle · https://seattlepikes.wordpress.com/

Seattle Pikes Est. 2014
***2014, 2015, & 2018 CL WEST CHAMPIONS***
SeattlePikes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2014, 11:50 AM   #20
SeattlePikes
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 posts
Turnaround?

Last two weeks have been kind to Mr. Martinez. He's increased his average from .217 to .263. Still would like to see him batting well over .300, but this is a step in the right direction. Sadly, probably too little too late when it comes to our playoff hopes as we're already 9.5 back in mid-June.
__________________
Follow Pikes baseball all year round right here!
Seattle · https://seattlepikes.wordpress.com/

Seattle Pikes Est. 2014
***2014, 2015, & 2018 CL WEST CHAMPIONS***
SeattlePikes is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:14 PM.

 

Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

The Major League Baseball Players Association (www.MLBPLAYERS.com ) is the collective bargaining representative for all professional baseball players of the thirty Major League Baseball teams and serves as the exclusive group licensing agent for commercial and licensing activities involving active Major League baseball players. On behalf of its members, it operates the Players Choice licensing program and the Players Choice Awards, which benefit the needy through the Major League Baseball Players Trust, a charitable foundation established and run entirely by Major League baseball players. Follow: @MLB_Players; @MLBPAClubhouse; @MLBPlayersTrust

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2017 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2018 Out of the Park Developments