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Old 12-14-2017, 05:14 PM   #1
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replaying the Cleveland Indians history

I am replaying the history of the Indians starting with the 1901 season. I am using the historical transactions option. i want to see if I can manage the team to a better all time record than what their real managers did with the same players.

I do not use the actual lineups as I figure I may want to start someone who the real manager didn't or bat someone in a different lineup spot than the other manager did. i do have injuries set to low, hoping this will even out a little those players who I use more frequently then the real life manager did.

I also play every game as the manager, simming none. It has taken a while but so far I have completed 20 seasons and have some great years as well as not so great ones.

Through my 20 seasons the Indians have a combined record of 1719-1305. I have taken the Indians to the World Series 8 times and won it 4 of those times. The best record so far was the 1904 team going 107-47 and the worst was the 1910 team going 55-99.

Nap Lajoie has been my best hitter of the first 20 seasons and while Addie Joss has been my best pitcher.

Ruth has just started his career with the Yankees and the long ball is becoming more of a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the Indians can keep their success going over the next 20 years.
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I am replaying the history of the Indians starting with the 1901 season. I am using the historical transactions option. i want to see if I can manage the team to a better all time record than what their real managers did with the same players.

I do not use the actual lineups as I figure I may want to start someone who the real manager didn't or bat someone in a different lineup spot than the other manager did. i do have injuries set to low, hoping this will even out a little those players who I use more frequently then the real life manager did.

I also play every game as the manager, simming none. It has taken a while but so far I have completed 20 seasons and have some great years as well as not so great ones.

Through my 20 seasons the Indians have a combined record of 1719-1305. I have taken the Indians to the World Series 8 times and won it 4 of those times. The best record so far was the 1904 team going 107-47 and the worst was the 1910 team going 55-99.

Nap Lajoie has been my best hitter of the first 20 seasons and while Addie Joss has been my best pitcher.

Ruth has just started his career with the Yankees and the long ball is becoming more of a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the Indians can keep their success going over the next 20 years.
What years did you go to the series? Curious if you experienced real success during the Joe Jackson years in the early 1910s
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Went to the Series in 03,04,06,07,08,13,17, and 18. Won it in 03,04,06, and 17.

The only year the Indians made the Series with Jackson was 1913. He won his lone MVP the previous year hitting .409 3 93.

He is currently the club leader in AVG - .355, OBP - .420, SLG - .510, as well as OPS - .930,

He ended up with a career line of .340 62 855. He played on 3 championship teams - the 1909 A's, the 1915 White Sox, and the 1919 White Sox.
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Glad to hear Joe made the right choice in 1919.

That’s quite a dynasty from 03-06! Who were your best players , besides Lajoie?
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Have you ran into any issues using the low injury setting? I guess I'm wondering about a career ending injury to a player and how that would effect the game when it comes to later transactions the player may be involved in. Just curious. Thanks.
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Bill Bradley, Charlie Hickman, and Elmer Flick helped out Lajoie with the offensive load. Addie Joss was the anchor of the pitching staff.

1903 saw some great seasons from Hickman and Joss. Hickman hit .336 with 23 hr and 128 rbi while Joss went 23-11 with a 1.93 ERA and a WHIP of 0.93.

Joss won the Rookie of the Year in 1902 and the Pitcher of the Year in 1905. Hickman won the MVP in 1903. Otto Hess won the pitcher of the Year in 1906. Lajoie won 2 MVPs, 1 in 1901 with the Athlectics and 1 in 1904 with the Indians, he also won 4 Gold Glove Awards while with the Tribe.
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Have you ran into any issues using the low injury setting? I guess I'm wondering about a career ending injury to a player and how that would effect the game when it comes to later transactions the player may be involved in. Just curious. Thanks.
Haven't had any career ending injuries yet, just some that have ended years early, but those have mainly been fringe players or players who were not healthy that year anyways.
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I would think low would be the way to go in the dead ball era for sure. Players wouldn't sit out for the same kind of injuries that modern players do
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Not to mention that the rosters were so small in the early days if you lost somebody for a stretch of time it was hard to find a replacement that was already on the roster.
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Good stuff. I have a historic dynasty for the Indians starting in 1902 - albeit without the historic transactions.


In mine, Joss had one or two good years, but got ruined by injuries. Lajoie was a stud before dropping off abruptly, losing all defensive value around 1908 or so, and most of his offensive value a year or two later. Bradley gave me four very good-to-great years before falling off a cliff.
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How did Hickman do for you? Seemed like he could hit the heck out of the ball but the guy never saw a pitch he didn't like, Took very few walks, reminded me of an old time Vlad Guerrero.
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How did Hickman do for you? Seemed like he could hit the heck out of the ball but the guy never saw a pitch he didn't like, Took very few walks, reminded me of an old time Vlad Guerrero.
Hickman wasn't on the Indians' 1902 Opening Day roster, so he wasn't on my roster when I started the dynasty, and I didn't pick him up. He was productive, but not quite on the level of how he produced for you- led the league in homers, hits, and RBI's in different seasons, and twice led in doubles, but never an MVP candidate - peaked at 5.8 WAR, and that was his only season over 4.
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1921 has been an interesting season in my replay. The deadball era is officially over. With Ruth in full force now with the Yankees it will be tough to hang with them unless I can get career years from a few different players. I'm roughly 100 games in and am in 3rd place 11 games over .500 but those career years are not unfolding as I need them to. In my replay the Indians have always had above average pitching, but this year with the highest team ERA they've ever had (4.43) it's been rough. My ace of the last few years, Stan Coveleski, has really had a down year. He is 8-12 with a 5.12 ERA and a 1.64 WHIP, both of which are career lows. There have been some high points though. I am really starting to fall in love with the middle infield duo of Joe Sewell and Riggs Stephenson. Both of them are hitting over .330 with OBP around or near .400. As much as i want to win the pennant it's July 27th and I'm 13.5 games back of the Yankees, I have a feeling I'm playing for 2nd place.
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1921 has ended with the New York Giants winning their 7th championship. The Indians finished 16 games over .500 but finished in 3rd place 24 games back of the Yankees.

Some notes from the end of the season. In the AL Babe Ruth grabbed his 3rd MVP but is being outdone by the NL's Rogers Hornsby who won his 4th. Babe's numbers are much more eye popping than Rogers' but neither one of them have won a World Series yet.

On the pitching front, Yankees starter Waite Hoyt set a new record for wins in a season with 34. Hoyt went 34-9 with 7 saves a 2.47 ERA and a WHIP of 1.29. The record was previously held by Christy Mathewson who went 32-8 in both 1904 as well as 1908.

The Indians GM didn't do me many favors in the off-season trading my starting 1B George Burns and my starting RF Elmer Smith to the Red Sox for 1B Stuffy McInnis. Elmer holds the team record for RBI with 143 in 1920 and George was a solid number 5 hitter for the last couple of years. He then released my team leader in saves Jesse Petty who had 13, but that wasn't as big of a loss because he never really nailed down the job. Last but not least he sold one of my bench players, Doc Johnston to the A's. Doc was never a star but a reliable player off the bench who could fill in when a 1B went down with w minor injury.
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