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Old 06-23-2018, 04:49 PM   #221
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He was not drafted, only 80 selected out of draft pool of 168. He signed as Free Agent with the Giants and is currently on their 15 man reserve roster.
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Old 06-27-2018, 05:55 PM   #222
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1906 MLB Awards:

AL Brooks Robinson Awards:

P: Wes Ferrell, 29, WS1

C: Frank House, 25, BOS

1B: Steve Garvey, 29, DET

2B: Rex Hudler, 28, PHA

3B: Scott Brosius, 27, CLE

SS: Trevor Story, 29, DET

LF: Dave Collins, 21, WS1

CF: Ben Chapman, 23, PHA

RF: Brian Jordan, 25, PHA

NL Brooks Robinson Awards:

P: Irv Young, 36, CHC

C: Mike Lieberthal, 25, STL

1B: Joe Collins, 31, CIN

2B: Mark Lemke, 28, STL

3B: Robin Ventura, 22, PIT

SS: Alex Rodriguez, 30, CHC

LF: Carl Reynolds, 25, PHI

CF: Ian Happ, 27, NY1

RF: Dale Murphy, 25, PHI
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It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:35 PM   #223
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AL Ted Williams Awards:

C: Craig Biggio, 29, DET

1B: Jim Bottomley, 28, BOS

2B: Cupid Childs, 25, SLA

3B: Edgar Martinez, 27, WS1

SS: Vern Stephens, 25, BOS

LF: Beals Becker, 28, CWS

CF: Dave May, 25, CLE

RF: Al Kaline, 23, CLE

DH: Bobby Mitchell, 34, SLA

NL Ted Williams Awards:

P: Al Orth, 35, PHI

C: Chief Zimmer, 31, NY1

1B: Chuck Hinton, 34, NY1

2B: Dustin Pedroia, 33, CHC

3B: Robin Ventura, 22, PIT

SS: Alex Rodriguez, 30, CHC

LF: Mike Donlin, 32, BRO

CF: Ian Happ, 27, NY1

RF: Dale Murphy, 25, PHI
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"Yeah, I know, I know, I know
It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017
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AL Mariano Rivera Award:

1. Rollie Fingers, RHP, 29, BOS
2. Bert Dorr, RHP, 20, NYY
3. Kenley Jansen, RHP, 33, DET
4. Casey Hageman, RHP, 30, CWS

NL Mariano Rivera Award:

1. Eric Wilkins, RHP, 25, CHC
2. Tom Brennan, RHP, 29, BSN
3. Sean Doolittle, LHP, 28, PIT
4. Ed Hodge, LHP, 29, NY1
5. Ted Power, RHP, 31, PHI
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It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:15 PM   #225
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AL Jackie Robinson Award:

1. Dick Lundy, SS, 17, CLE
2. Dave Collins, 1B/LF/CF/RF, 21, WS1
3. Hiroo Ishii*, 1B/3B, 22, NYY
4. Jocko Flynn, RHP/LF/CF/RF, 21, DET
5. Mike J Grace, RHP, 24, DET

NL Jackie Robinson Award:

1. Bernie Friberg, 2B/3B/SS/LF/CF/RF, 21, CIN
2. Randy Bush, 1B/LF/RF, 22, PHI/CHC
3. Gene Wright, RHP/1B, 21, NY1
4. Mark Bailey, C, 22, PHI

* = Yes, once again the AI got tripped up on the service time limit thingy for rookies. This time it was NPB 1B Hiroo Ishii doing the honours. Good to see a couple of Spritzies (Lundy and Ishii) in the running despite the mistake.

Dave Collins was a Blue Jay back in 1983 and 1984, so I'm pleased to see him doing well, picking up a GG in LF, and finishing 2nd to Dick Lundy in ROY voting. Watching Dave in the OF was not a pretty sight IRL, so I'm not sure how he wound up with the GG, but he did. He was absolutely unequivocally an all-out hustle kind of guy. If there's anybody who gave it 110% (and there isn't because you can't exceed 100 - why 110? Perhaps it's a Spinal Tap reference - "This one goes to 11!"), he most certainly is in that group.

I will never, ever, ever forgive Randy Bush for denying Jim Clancy a shot at big league immortality IRL on September 28th, 1982. Clancy had retired the first 24 batters to face him. Bush led off the ninth with a broken bat looper just out of the reach of Damaso Garcia. Did I mention I hold grudges? Well...I do!
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It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017

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Being a Yankee fan the thing I remember most about Dave Collins is trading him along with Fred McGriff to the Blue Jays for Dale Murray. Guess the Yankees didnt think that McGriff kid would pan out, also explains why NY won nothing in the 80's
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I also liked Collins never any lack of effort but as I remember effort did not always=results.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:13 PM   #228
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Being a Yankee fan the thing I remember most about Dave Collins is trading him along with Fred McGriff to the Blue Jays for Dale Murray. Guess the Yankees didnt think that McGriff kid would pan out, also explains why NY won nothing in the 80's
I remember the story behind the McGriff part of the deal. Gillick desperately wanted McGriff in the deal, but didn't want to tip his hand, so he asked for Don Mattingly or Dan Pasqua instead (this was the 1982/1983 offseason, so they were much closer to the big leagues [or at the big league level already, as Mattingly was] than McGriff, who was in rookie ball at the time, having been drafted in 1981). That's when Steinbrenner stepped in and told Gillick he would have to take McGriff as the third player (P Mike Morgan and Dave Collins were the other two), or there would be no deal. Gillick told him he would have to check with his scouts and would call back in fifteen minutes. I can picture a lot of high fives in the front office that day, even though McGriff was faaar from a finished product (he would eventually debut in May of 1986).

I'll never forget McGriff's absolute moonshot to the upper deck of old Yankee Stadium on June 8th, 1987. No I'm not some kind of weirdo that memorizes these things. I used BB-Ref and then confirmed it on YouTube, and oh, lookie, lookie I happen to have the video right here. Yes, yes I know...27 World Championships to 2 World Championships. You guys have had so much. Let us enjoy our small victories, OK?

The current edition of the Yankees scares me to death because they've finally unleashed Cashman on the rest of MLB. For years they misused his ruthless skills, as he signed old free agent after old free agent. Now he gets to build a team as he sees fit, and that spells big trouble for the rest of MLB, as far as this Blue Jays' fan is concerned. He seems like a very likeable dude as well. As a Blue Jays' fan I should hate him, but I can't.

The Red Sox don't scare me as much. Looks like Dumbrowski has once again emptied a once burgeoning farm system in pursuit of the brass ring. I think for now they're more than fine, but I fear the Yankees will have far more staying power, as they seem to have a non-stop train of awesome players graduating to the big leagues. I think it's the dawn of yet another era of Yankee greatness, and I for one can't stand it (where's the puke smily? ).

I'll just console myself with the eventual arrivals of Vladdy Jr., Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Logan Warmoth, Danny Jansen, and hope beyond hope that that's enough. I'm reasonably happy with the current front office, unlike the dopey talk radio callers and commenters on various fan sites, but could we please get some pitching prospects? I think (and hope) they'll start to lean that way at the deadline, and get this thing headed in the right direction by 2020.
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Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017

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I met Dave Collins a number of years ago when he was a coach for the Rockies and I waited on him at the bookstore I was then working at. I remembered him from his playing days (mostly as a guy who stole a lot of bases) but what I noticed most when I met him was that he still looked very athletic for a middle-aged guy (realizing now that he would have been about the age I am now at that point) but that he was basically the same size as me. Which was comforting to me somehow because I am a very average-sized man.
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I met Dave Collins a number of years ago when he was a coach for the Rockies and I waited on him at the bookstore I was then working at. I remembered him from his playing days (mostly as a guy who stole a lot of bases) but what I noticed most when I met him was that he still looked very athletic for a middle-aged guy (realizing now that he would have been about the age I am now at that point) but that he was basically the same size as me. Which was comforting to me somehow because I am a very average-sized man.
Collins had arguably his best offensive season for us in 1984. He tied for the AL lead in triples with teammate Lloyd Moseby (15), and stole 60 bases (6 back of the great Rickey Henderson, who led the AL). It was near the beginning of a nice 11 season run for the Blue Jays (1983-1993) that has never come close to being duplicated. Winning baseball was so new to this town, and the excitement was absolutely palpable in that dilapidated craphole of a stadium down on Lake Ontario. It was absolutely frigid in April/May, and September/October, but somehow the place was home for us long before the SkyDome/Rogers Centre was around.

Wish I could've seen Fidrych (your avatar) in 1976, but I was only 6 going on 7, and the Blue Jays hadn't woken me up from my hockey dreams yet so I missed that incredible season. Must've been amazing. I've seen old footage, and it looks like it was an electric atmosphere for every one of his starts down at Michigan and Trumbull.

Also enjoyed the Tiger/Blue Jay rivalry, which was the greatest rivalry that this team has ever had. I miss it, and wish the two teams were back in the same division again. I hope/believe that the inevitable eventual addition of two teams and the re-alignment that will be necessary to accomodate them will rightly place the Blue Jays, Tigers, Indians, and maybe the Expos (? as a canuck I certainly hope so) in the same division because it would be nice to see the Toronto/Detroit rivalry heat up again. It would also be nice to get away from the Yankees and the Red Sox of course, but having Tigers/Blue Jays back would be awesome.
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It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017

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AL Walter Johnson Award:

1. Toad Ramsey, LHSP, 28, BOS
2. Eppa Rixey, LHSP, 32, DET
3. Jon Lester, LHSP, 28, CWS
4. Ismael Valdez, RHSP, 22, BOS
5. Bucky Walters, RHSP, 31, DET
6. Fritz Ostermueller, LHSP, 29, BOS
7. Rollie Fingers, RHRP, 29, BOS

NL Walter Johnson Award:

1. Garrett Richards, RHSP, 25, NY1
2. Bill Hoffer, RHSP/LF/CF, 24, PIT
3. Paul Derringer, RHSP, 26, STL
4. Nolan Ryan, RHSP, 27, CIN
5. Mark Gubicza, RHSP, 27, BSN
6. Tim Leary, RHSP, 30, CHC/PHI
7. Mickey Lolich, LHSP, 25, BRO
8. Rudy May, LHSP, 33, PHI
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It's still not enough
Nothing short of everything
Nothing short of everything's enough
No matter how wide or how tough
Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017

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AL Babe Ruth Award:

1. Al Kaline, CF/RF, 23, CLE
2. Edgar Martinez, 3B, 27, WS1
3. Jim Bottomley, 1B, 28, BOS
4. Craig Biggio, C/2B/CF, 29, DET
5. Toad Ramsey, LHSP, 28, BOS
6. Eppa Rixey, LHSP, 32, DET
7. Beals Becker, LF/RF, 28, CWS
8. Jon Lester, LHSP, 28, CWS
9. Ismael Valdez, RHSP, 22, BOS
10. Trevor Story, SS, 29, DET
11. Boog Powell, 1B/LF, 30, PHA
12. Vern Stephens, 3B/SS, 25, BOS
13. Cupid Childs, 2B, 25, SLA
14. Lefty O'Doul, LF, 34, DET
15. Fritz Ostermueller, LHSP, 29, BOS
16. Bucky Walters, RHSP, 31, DET
17. Ed Delahanty, 1B/LF/CF/RF, 25, PHA
18. Rollie Fingers, RHRP, 29, BOS
19. Marquis Grissom, CF, 29, BOS

NL Babe Ruth Award:

1. Dale Murphy, 1B/CF/RF, 25, PHI
2. Alex Rodriguez, 3B/SS, 30, CHC
3. Bill Hoffer, RHSP/LF/CF, 24, PIT
4. Paul Derringer, RHSP, 26, STL
5. Robin Ventura, 3B, 22, PIT
6. Garrett Richards, RHSP, 25, NY1
7. Honus Wagner, SS/RF, 31, NY1
8. Nolan Ryan, RHSP, 27, CIN
9. Mark Gubicza, RHSP, 27, BSN
10. Bill Madlock, 2B/3B, 27, PHI
11. Ian Happ, 2B/LF/CF/RF, 27, NY1
12. Chief Zimmer, C, 31, NY1
13. Mickey Lolich, LHSP, 25, BRO
14. Tim Leary, RHSP, 30, CHC/PHI
15. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, 33, CHC
16. Devon Travis, 2B, 24, PHI
17. Mike Donlin, LF/RF, 32, BRO
18. Rudy May, LHSP, 33, PHI
19. Chuck Hinton, 1B/LF/RF, 34, NY1
20. Scooter Gennett, 2B, 23, NY1

As a Blue Jays/Expos fan, Devon Travis and Marquis Grissom!...Woot! Also let's hear it for Scooter, Cupid, and Boog...and Toad...I guess. Fun names in baseball rule! I know you can't stand them JaBurns, but hey they're fun.
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Nothing short of everything's enough

Yeah, I know, I know, I know
Now for Plan A
I'll stay till the wisteria fades
And falls on L.A.
No matter how high or how rough
Nothing short of everything's enough"

- RIP Gord Downie (The Tragically Hip) February 6th, 1964 - October 17th, 2017
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1906 Season/Postseason Recap:

Regular Season:

There would be no run differential zaniness in 1906, as there had been in 1905 with the MLB leading Chicago White Sox having a negative run differential. The postseason teams ranged from +99 (Philadelphia Phillies) on up to +206 (Boston Americans), which is more like it.

The White Sox repeated their 93-69 record (this time with a +106 run differential, which makes a bit more sense), but fell two games shy of the postseason. The Boston Americans finished first in the AL with a 96-66 record, while the Tigers took the second postseason spot at 95-67, which set up a Boston/Detroit matchup for the ALCS with Boston enjoying home field advantage.

The Pirates were the most improved team in MLB going from 60-102 to 80-82, a twenty game improvement, yet they are still seeking their first non-losing season in franchise history. The Cardinals fell off the most going from 90 wins and a postseason appearance in 1905 to a 75-87 season, which left them in a 3-way tie with Brooklyn and Cincinnati for 5th place in the NL.

The New York Giants went from narrowly missing the postseason in 1905 (88-74) to a 103-59 record to easily capture home field advantage in the 1906 NLCS against the Phillies (94-68). It was great to see the Giants in the postseason because at 31 Honus Wagner ain't gettin' any younger. The Washington Senators were the polar opposite of the Giants, going 62-100, thus getting the first overall pick in the draft (Yogi Berra). Sounds like the RL Senators to me: First in politics, last in the American League. They've embarked on a maniacal spending spree in the offseason, and theoretically should be much better in 1907.

ALCS:

This may have been the closest series I have ever seen. Detroit and Boston were dead even in runs at 26 when the dust had settled after 7 games. No game was decided by more than three runs, and that game went to extra innings. 2 extra inning games including the only game decided by three runs in the series. A walkoff HR. Oh yeah, it had everything, and somehow left you wanting more at the end of it.

The first game in Boston would match up the winner and runner up in the voting for the 1906 Walter Johnson Award. Toad Ramsey went for Boston, while Eppa Rixey opposed him for Detroit. As one would expect in such a matchup, it was a tight game all the way. No crooked numbers even. In the end, Boston's picket fence stretched further than Detroit's and they triumphed 4-2. Their runs came on a ground out, a GIDP, an error, and an RBI single. The go ahead run scored on an error by 3B Ty Wigginton an inning after SS Trevor Story had hit a game-tying solo HR for the Tigers in the 4th.

Game 2 featured the #4 (Boston's Ismael Valdez) and #5 (Detroit's Bucky Walters) pitchers in the Walter Johnson voting, and was just as close (same score in fact), but went much longer. Once again an error factored into the go ahead run(s) which came in the top of the 14th inning. Detroit's Alexi Casilla singled and Craig Biggio reached on an error by SS Vern Stephens after Eddie Haas and Carlos Perez had struck out. Lefty O'Doul came up with a massive two-run double to put Detroit ahead 4-2, and they would win by the same score. Kenley Jansen and Jocko Flynn combined for 6 2-hit shutout innings with three walks and 7 K to give the bats a chance. Back to the Motor City they went knotted up at 1 game apiece.

Game 3 would see Fritz Ostermueller for the visiting Americans against Greg W Harris for the Tigers. Once again it would be 4-2 (for Detroit), and once again an error would factor in to the go-ahead run. This time Boston 2B Eddie Kasko made the boo-boo and Trevor Story scampered home with the go-ahead run in the bottom of the fourth. A sac fly by Steve Garvey in the fifth inning gave the Tigers some insurance, and their pitching and defense held the Americans in check the rest of the way. Harris went 7 innings allowing 2 runs, and RP Jake Boyd retired the final six hitters on just sixteen pitches.

The Americans would turn to Tommy Byrne to even the series in Game 4. His mound opponent would be Chase Anderson, but both were long gone by the time this game was decided. The Tigers took a 4-2 lead (sound familiar? - for once this time there would be more runs) in the bottom of the fourth on an RBI triple by CF Bill Davidson, followed by a sac fly by RF Jon Nunnally, and a two-out RBI single by LF Lefty O'Doul. The eighth inning would see the Americans get an opportunity to bust the game wide open, as they had already narrowed the gap to 4-3, and had the bases loaded with nobody out. Once again Tiger RP Jake Boyd would come to the rescue (having coughed up the RBI single which scored the third run to 2B Eddie Kasko, but it still was an impressive Houdini act). C Frank House hit a fly out to CF Bill Davidson, who gunned down DH Dan Ford at the plate for a huge double play. Boyd completed the escape by getting 3B J C Martin to fly out, leaving the tieing and go-ahead runs at second and third.

Boyd would walk RF Raul Mondesi to begin the ninth, and that was it for him. Mike J Grace came on and he immediately balked Mondesi to second. It would prove very costly as CF Marquis Grissom singled in Mondesi on the second pitch of his at bat to tie the score at 4, and once again these teams were off to extra innings. The Americans would break through in the eleventh, on an RBI double by SS Vern Stephens, and a two-run double by Dan Ford sandwiched around an intentional walk to 1B Jim Bottomley off RP Luis Perdomo. Rollie Fingers was absolutely stellar in relief, throwing the final 3 innings in hitless shutout fashion, punctuating it with a strikeout of Jon Nunnally to end the game and complete the 7-4 comeback.

Game 5 returned Ramsey and Rixey to the mound. Another taut pitching battle to make fans of both teams squirm in their seats. Dan Ford doubled home a run and LF Andy Dirks followed him with a sac fly to score Jim Bottomley in the top of the fourth. 5-time Walter Johnson winner Toad Ramsey on the mound with a 2-0 lead in the fourth? He should be able to drive it home right? Wrong. Lefty O'Doul got him with a two-run shot in the bottom of the fourth to tie the game following C Craig Biggio's leadoff single. Back and forth they went in a scoreless fashion until 1B Steve Garvey hit a walkoff solo HR off Ramsey with two out in the bottom of the ninth. That had to be deflating for the Americans, even though they still had a chance with the final two games of the series to come on their home turf.

Game 6 of course, was a game that Boston had to have. But Tiger DH Alexi Casilla (yes you read that right Tiger DH Alexi Casilla) would set the tone by leading off the game with a solo shot off Ismael Valdez (Casilla had all of seven career HR heading into this game). Two innings later Craig Biggio would single home Casilla with two out, and the lead was extended to 2-0. The Americans went to work in the bottom of the fourth, with an RBI double from Eddie Kasko, and a two-run double by Frank House. An inning later, a two-run double by Dan Ford put the Americans up 5-2.

Trevor Story would answer in a big way for the Tigers in the sixth inning with a two-out three-run HR off Valdez to tie the game at 5. An RBI double by Vern Stephens, and an errant pickoff attempt by Tiger RP Jake Boyd would give the Americans a 7-5 lead in the bottom of the seventh. Rollie Fingers started the ninth for the Americans with the two run lead. He was lifted after giving up a one out walk to Ty Wigginton, and Hub Pruett came on from the bullpen, and immediately walked Bill Davidson on four pitches. Not good. PH Carlos Perez (the catcher, not the crazy pitcher) flied out, and there were two out. Super pest Alexi Casilla singled home Wigginton and sent tying run Bill Davidson to third to bring up 3-time top ten MVP candidate Craig Biggio. Pruett managed to get Biggio to ground into a 5-4 force out to end a great game and set up seventh heaven. It was only fitting given the way this series had gone through six games.

Fritz Ostermueller and Greg W Harris faced off in the game for all the marbles, and did not disappoint. Detroit never trailed in this game, as Biggio scored on a fielder's choice by Garvey in the first inning. Bill Davidson singled home 2B Bernie Allen to put the Tigers up 2-0 in the fourth. Jim Bottomley led off the bottom of the fourth with a solo blast to cut the deficit in half. However, the two run lead would be restored in the next half inning on (of all things) a strikeout/wild pitch that allowed Trevor Story to reach and scored Alexi Casilla. Bottomley would single home Grissom in the bottom of the seventh to bring the Americans to within one again, but the rally died with the tying and go-ahead runs on base when Andy Dirks grounded out to end the inning. Kenley Jansen pitched the final 2 innings and stranded Vern Stephens and Jim Bottomley in the bottom of the ninth by getting Dan Ford to fly out. The Americans had had their chances, but the Tigers emerged the victors in an amazing series. Tiger LF Lefty O'Doul took home series MVP honours, batting .345/.406/.517 with 1 HR and 5 RBI. See attached screenshots for further info.
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Wish I could've seen Fidrych (your avatar) in 1976, but I was only 6 going on 7, and the Blue Jays hadn't woken me up from my hockey dreams yet so I missed that incredible season. Must've been amazing. I've seen old footage, and it looks like it was an electric atmosphere for every one of his starts down at Michigan and Trumbull.

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I was fortunate enough to see Fidrych pitch at Tiger Stadium that year. It was against the Angels and my father and I saw both Fidrych and Nolan Ryan in that series. I was thinking that Fidrych and Ryan pitched in the same game, but it was actually (if I have found the correct game, which I think I have, played on August 17th) Frank Tanana, still a great young fire-baller at that stage of his career, who Fidrych faced off against in the 3-2 victory. My father and I spent the night in a hotel and went to see Ryan pitch the next day, when the Tigers lost a narrow 5-4 decision.
My father took me to Tiger Stadium, if I remember correctly, at least a few more times that summer. So there is a good chance I saw Fidrych pitch at least one other time, but this is the series I remember. I was only 11 at the time and don't have crystal clear memories of this. But I do remember it was a high-point in my life up to then and an electric memory to share with my old man (who now is, in fact, an old man and still an avid Tiger fan.)

Should probably add that I also saw Mr. Kaline play a few years prior- in his final season of 1974. Don't remember much about that except that he did play that day and we did see him hit one of his only 13 homeruns that season. So, in other words, one of the last of his career 399.

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AL Babe Ruth Award:

1. Al Kaline, CF/RF, 23, CLE
2. Edgar Martinez, 3B, 27, WS1
3. Jim Bottomley, 1B, 28, BOS
4. Craig Biggio, C/2B/CF, 29, DET
5. Toad Ramsey, LHSP, 28, BOS
6. Eppa Rixey, LHSP, 32, DET
7. Beals Becker, LF/RF, 28, CWS
8. Jon Lester, LHSP, 28, CWS
9. Ismael Valdez, RHSP, 22, BOS
10. Trevor Story, SS, 29, DET
11. Boog Powell, 1B/LF, 30, PHA
12. Vern Stephens, 3B/SS, 25, BOS
13. Cupid Childs, 2B, 25, SLA
14. Lefty O'Doul, LF, 34, DET
15. Fritz Ostermueller, LHSP, 29, BOS
16. Bucky Walters, RHSP, 31, DET
17. Ed Delahanty, 1B/LF/CF/RF, 25, PHA
18. Rollie Fingers, RHRP, 29, BOS
19. Marquis Grissom, CF, 29, BOS

NL Babe Ruth Award:

1. Dale Murphy, 1B/CF/RF, 25, PHI
2. Alex Rodriguez, 3B/SS, 30, CHC
3. Bill Hoffer, RHSP/LF/CF, 24, PIT
4. Paul Derringer, RHSP, 26, STL
5. Robin Ventura, 3B, 22, PIT
6. Garrett Richards, RHSP, 25, NY1
7. Honus Wagner, SS/RF, 31, NY1
8. Nolan Ryan, RHSP, 27, CIN
9. Mark Gubicza, RHSP, 27, BSN
10. Bill Madlock, 2B/3B, 27, PHI
11. Ian Happ, 2B/LF/CF/RF, 27, NY1
12. Chief Zimmer, C, 31, NY1
13. Mickey Lolich, LHSP, 25, BRO
14. Tim Leary, RHSP, 30, CHC/PHI
15. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, 33, CHC
16. Devon Travis, 2B, 24, PHI
17. Mike Donlin, LF/RF, 32, BRO
18. Rudy May, LHSP, 33, PHI
19. Chuck Hinton, 1B/LF/RF, 34, NY1
20. Scooter Gennett, 2B, 23, NY1

As a Blue Jays/Expos fan, Devon Travis and Marquis Grissom!...Woot! Also let's hear it for Scooter, Cupid, and Boog...and Toad...I guess. Fun names in baseball rule! I know you can't stand them JaBurns, but hey they're fun.
I started laughing this morning, look at the draft pool, first name I see is Thomas H. Ramsey after a visit to Baseball reference.
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Also enjoyed the Tiger/Blue Jay rivalry, which was the greatest rivalry that this team has ever had. I miss it, and wish the two teams were back in the same division again. I hope/believe that the inevitable eventual addition of two teams and the re-alignment that will be necessary to accomodate them will rightly place the Blue Jays, Tigers, Indians, and maybe the Expos (? as a canuck I certainly hope so) in the same division because it would be nice to see the Toronto/Detroit rivalry heat up again. It would also be nice to get away from the Yankees and the Red Sox of course, but having Tigers/Blue Jays back would be awesome.
The 1987 AL East pennant race was my favorite one of my baseball-watching history. In the last ten games of the year, the Tigers and Blue Jays played seven times-- all of them decided by one run, with three walk-offs plus a thirteen-inning road win for the Tigers. In the first 6 of the 7 games, the team that scored first lost... the seventh was the best atmosphere of any game I've attended -- a 1-0 shutout by Frank Tanana over Jimmy Key (who threw a three-hitter, but one was a Larry Herndon solo shot) to clinch the division title, after an 11-19 start.
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The 1987 AL East pennant race was my favorite one of my baseball-watching history. In the last ten games of the year, the Tigers and Blue Jays played seven times-- all of them decided by one run, with three walk-offs plus a thirteen-inning road win for the Tigers. In the first 6 of the 7 games, the team that scored first lost... the seventh was the best atmosphere of any game I've attended -- a 1-0 shutout by Frank Tanana over Jimmy Key (who threw a three-hitter, but one was a Larry Herndon solo shot) to clinch the division title, after an 11-19 start.
Did you have to bring up 1987? It still stings man. We had it in the bag. And then we didn't. Ugh. Yes, it was tremendous baseball. I often find myself wondering what would've happened in a parallel universe if the Jays had managed to survive the AL East grind. Could they have survived the Twins? Or were the Twins a juggernaut of destiny? I'll never know what could've happened to one of the best teams in Blue Jay history. Yes, I know...Alan Trammell was absolutely jobbed out of the MVP. Although Wade Boggs put up one hell of a season that year too. I haven't looked but probably Roger Clemens was firmly in the running as well.
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Did you have to bring up 1987? It still stings man. We had it in the bag. And then we didn't. Ugh. Yes, it was tremendous baseball. I often find myself wondering what would've happened in a parallel universe if the Jays had managed to survive the AL East grind. Could they have survived the Twins? Or were the Twins a juggernaut of destiny? I'll never know what could've happened to one of the best teams in Blue Jay history. Yes, I know...Alan Trammell was absolutely jobbed out of the MVP. Although Wade Boggs put up one hell of a season that year too. I haven't looked but probably Roger Clemens was firmly in the running as well.
As bad as the George Bell MVP vote was, it wasn't quite as bad as the NL vote that year, with Andre Dawson's 4.0 WAR for a last-place Cubs team carrying the day.

Although Clemens won the Cy Young award, he was a complete afterthought in the MVP balloting - only 7 points. Paul Molitor had a tremendous all-around season, but missed 45 games for a sneaky-good Brewers team. The leading pitcher on the AL MVP ballot was ... Jeff Reardon and his 4.48 ERA (!).

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As bad as the George Bell MVP vote was, it wasn't quite as bad as the NL vote that year, with Andre Dawson's 4.0 WAR for a last-place Cubs team carrying the day.

Although Clemens won the Cy Young award, he was a complete afterthought in the MVP balloting - only 7 points. Paul Molitor had a tremendous all-around season, but missed 45 games for a sneaky-good Brewers team. The leading pitcher on the AL MVP ballot was ... Jeff Reardon and his 4.48 ERA (!).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...87.shtml#ALmvp
NL guys: Eric Davis, Darryl Strawberry, Tim Raines, Tony Gwynn, Jack Clark, Dale Murphy, Mike Schmidt, Pedro Guerrero, Ozzie Smith, Bill Doran. That's ten position players in that order. I'm sure I could find pitchers (Nolan "Hard Luck" Ryan, Mike Scott, Bob Welch, Orel Hershiser, Rick Reuschel) that would knock some of the back end guys out, but Dawson is really nowhere in sight.

AL guys: Wade Boggs, Alan Trammell, Paul Molitor, Dwight Evans, Mark McGwire, George Bell, Kevin Seitzer, Darrell Evans, Don Mattingly, Rickey Henderson. Like I said above, I could find some pitchers to knock some back end guys out (Roger Clemens, Frank Viola, Teddy Higuera, Jimmy Key, Bret Saberhagen etc), but those are my top ten position player guys. Bell really isn't that egregious. At least he deserved consideration. He's not really in the same area code as the top three, and I think he's also below Dewey, but he's right there with McGwire for me.

Three things: 1) I'm not really a big standings guy. I figure if you had poopy players around you, that isn't really your fault. The fault lies with your front office/injuries/luck etc. 2) I'm not really big on games played either. I figure a player's already being punished for missing time because the time missed doesn't allow him to make a stronger case, so why should I punish him again? I realize that the player that replaces him will definitely not be as good as him, but how close they are varies wildly, so I'm not going to punish him twice. 3) Gawd, the BoSox must have had some pretty poopy players outside of Boggs, Evans, and Clemens. How do you only win 78 games with those three on your roster, along with Bruce Hurst and Mike Greenwell? Yeesh! The only explanation is twenty roster spots worth of deadweight.
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So reading this made me go take a quick look at the 1987 Red Sox team and at first, looking through the starting players and the positional bench players, I thought, yeah, how did they only win 78 games? Granted, when the catcher who caught the most games is Marc Sullivan with his slash line of .169/.198/.238 and the other 4 catchers are pretty much just as bad (okay, John Marzano wasn't horrible at the plate), that's a problem. But hey, Marty Barrett had an OBP of .351 (decent), 22-year old Ellis Burks is in center and collected over 50 extra base hits (and 27 SB with only 6 times caught stealing), old men Don Baylor and Jim Rice still had a little bite in their bats, and Todd Benzinger was, well, not atrocious.
But then I scrolled down to the pitching staff and oh, my, there it is. Especially that bullpen. Brutal!
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