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Old 06-02-2008, 08:07 PM   #1
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Exclamation Hank Aaron is playing second base???

I have been playing a historical league that I started in 1946. I let the computer do everything while I check the results. This is how I play DMB and most computer sports games I have. I don't have the time to micro manage these games as I spend too much of my free time playing World of Warcraft.

Anyway I noticed that Hank Aaron has been playin for the Cardinals since 1960 and the computer put him at second base! What the heck? To be fair he was playing right field until the end of the current season but still!! He also only has 365 homeruns for his career which started in 1953!! He started with Milwaukee in 1953 and was traded to St. Louis in 1959. He has been injured a few seasons but still this is too far off reality to please this baseball historian. I hope that the AI in version 9 is better than this.

I also looked at how Sandy Koufax did and OMG!! He played about 7 years and had 55 wins before suffering a career ending injury. Again the historical computer AI is found wanting. Yes I know Koufax did retire early in 1966 but he had many effective years.

This is why I favor Diamond Mind Baseball over this truly wonderful game. This game is awesome for the fictional universe, but when it comes to histrical replays it ain't even close. I wish we could get DMB like results with the OOTP manager
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Perhaps if you played each season as a one-off you would be happier? Isn't that how DMB is played?
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Old 06-02-2008, 08:35 PM   #3
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I have been playing a historical league that I started in 1946. I let the computer do everything while I check the results. This is how I play DMB and most computer sports games I have. I don't have the time to micro manage these games as I spend too much of my free time playing World of Warcraft.

Anyway I noticed that Hank Aaron has been playin for the Cardinals since 1960 and the computer put him at second base! What the heck? To be fair he was playing right field until the end of the current season but still!! He also only has 365 homeruns for his career which started in 1953!! He started with Milwaukee in 1953 and was traded to St. Louis in 1959. He has been injured a few seasons but still this is too far off reality to please this baseball historian. I hope that the AI in version 9 is better than this.

I also looked at how Sandy Koufax did and OMG!! He played about 7 years and had 55 wins before suffering a career ending injury. Again the historical computer AI is found wanting. Yes I know Koufax did retire early in 1966 but he had many effective years.

This is why I favor Diamond Mind Baseball over this truly wonderful game. This game is awesome for the fictional universe, but when it comes to histrical replays it ain't even close. I wish we could get DMB like results with the OOTP manager
The next version is supposed to improve the AI's playing players out of position. We'll see. Are you playing with recalc on?

Incidentally, in Koufax's first seven years in the majors, he won 54 games.
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Question Where can I find the recalc button?

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The next version is supposed to improve the AI's playing players out of position. We'll see. Are you playing with recalc on?

Incidentally, in Koufax's first seven years in the majors, he won 54 games.
Can I get some help with this? Finding the recalc button that is?
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The next version is supposed to improve the AI's playing players out of position. We'll see. Are you playing with recalc on?

Incidentally, in Koufax's first seven years in the majors, he won 54 games.
The changing positions issue is a significant one...glad to see this is being addressed.
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Oh, geez. With the recalc off, the game engine takes over and players mean nothing to the AI. You need recalc on if you actually want it to follow historical patterns.

Game Setup > League Setup > Options

If you want it as close as historically accurate as possible, on this screen you want Auto expand on, Auto adjust league strategy on, import financial settings on, Recalc player ratings turned on and set to every year as well as auto adjust league totals for historical accuracy turned on.
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Exclamation I did have recalc on but....

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Oh, geez. With the recalc off, the game engine takes over and players mean nothing to the AI. You need recalc on if you actually want it to follow historical patterns.

Game Setup > League Setup > Options

If you want it as close as historically accurate as possible, on this screen you want Auto expand on, Auto adjust league strategy on, import financial settings on, Recalc player ratings turned on and set to every year as well as auto adjust league totals for historical accuracy turned on.
It was set for every 3 years, so I changed it to every year now.
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It was set for every 3 years, so I changed it to every year now.
That still won't fix all of your problems. Wait for OOTP 9, because it will be much better for historical realism. But it still won't be as strictly close to real life as a product like DMB.
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Old 06-03-2008, 01:27 AM   #9
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Talking I am looking forward too it!!!

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That still won't fix all of your problems. Wait for OOTP 9, because it will be much better for historical realism. But it still won't be as strictly close to real life as a product like DMB.
June 20th cannot come too soon in my book!!
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If I recall Hank Aaron started out in the Negro LEague as a 2B. Or maybe it was 3B.


Wouldnt really bother me that he only hit 365 HR though. That is still a pretty good career.
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The position aspect would be influenced by what ratings your database gave him. OOTP doesn't know he's an outfielder in real, just that he can play outfield and second base in that case. As has been said, OOTP9 is supposedly going to be much better at the replay aspects with more true lineups and pitching staffs.
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Aaron played a few games at 2b during his major league career. Less than 50, but he still played the position.
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I have been playing a historical league that I started in 1946. I let the computer do everything while I check the results. This is how I play DMB and most computer sports games I have. I don't have the time to micro manage these games as I spend too much of my free time playing World of Warcraft.

Anyway I noticed that Hank Aaron has been playin for the Cardinals since 1960 and the computer put him at second base! What the heck? To be fair he was playing right field until the end of the current season but still!! He also only has 365 homeruns for his career which started in 1953!! He started with Milwaukee in 1953 and was traded to St. Louis in 1959. He has been injured a few seasons but still this is too far off reality to please this baseball historian. I hope that the AI in version 9 is better than this.

I also looked at how Sandy Koufax did and OMG!! He played about 7 years and had 55 wins before suffering a career ending injury. Again the historical computer AI is found wanting. Yes I know Koufax did retire early in 1966 but he had many effective years.

This is why I favor Diamond Mind Baseball over this truly wonderful game. This game is awesome for the fictional universe, but when it comes to histrical replays it ain't even close. I wish we could get DMB like results with the OOTP manager
I understand your point but you surely realize that to play 20 historical seasons in DMB would cost $469. That is $69.95 + 20 X $19.95 for the game plus season disks. Please correct me if this is wrong.

I think that any comparison of DMB and OOTP must include cost if one is to be fair to both games. Frankly I think that DMB is a blatant cash grab.
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I think that any comparison of DMB and OOTP must include cost if one is to be fair to both games. Frankly I think that DMB is a blatant cash grab.
I wonder how they justify the $19.95 per season, assuming anybody even questions it.
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If I recall Hank Aaron started out in the Negro LEague as a 2B. Or maybe it was 3B.

Wouldnt really bother me that he only hit 365 HR though. That is still a pretty good career.
He ended up with 569 homeruns...not bad but I think that there are way too many injuries than there were in real life back in the 1950's thu the 1980's in OOTP.
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I wonder how they justify the $19.95 per season, assuming anybody even questions it.
Well after the recent changes over at DMB they the customers may well start questioning it. But up until now we all have appreciated the amount of work that went into making the seasons and especially because they were so very accurrate and representative of the players on field performance.
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He ended up with 569 homeruns...not bad but I think that there are way too many injuries than there were in real life back in the 1950's thu the 1980's in OOTP.
Which is why you change the Injury setting to Low or Very Low.
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Henry Aaron was a second baseman in the Negro Leagues when he was signed by the Braves.

Here are the number of games at each position that he played in the majors:

2760 games as an outfielder
210 games as a 1st baseman
202 games as a designated hitter
43 games as a 2nd baseman
7 games as a 3rd baseman

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you got to remember that one of the beautiful aspects of playing historic leagues is that players will play on different teams, injurys can affect their careers in a negative way, players get used differently(ie starting pitcher with 60 innings pitched and a 2.12 era might get 250 innings pitched and dominate), and just the fact that randomness is a big factor in the fun of seeing how players played out their careers.

If all the stats stuck exactly to what they were in real life there would be no reason to sim a historic league.
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you got to remember that one of the beautiful aspects of playing historic leagues is that players will play on different teams, injurys can affect their careers in a negative way, players get used differently(ie starting pitcher with 60 innings pitched and a 2.12 era might get 250 innings pitched and dominate), and just the fact that randomness is a big factor in the fun of seeing how players played out their careers.

If all the stats stuck exactly to what they were in real life there would be no reason to sim a historic league.
And that's why I am loving every year of my trip through the years in my sim being journaled here. I am watching players who are not in the actual hall of fame have careers in which they come close or do meet my requirements, which are the defaults except for saves (I have that raised) and home runs (I have that at 450).
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