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Old 09-02-2017, 02:31 PM   #1
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KFC- World Series of Boxing

A pound for pound universe using fighters in my database rated 7 or higher. Starting with fighters that began their career in 1899 or earlier. Fighters will enter the universe when they began boxing in real life. All fighters start at Prime.

I'm using an adopted method from Cube to age the fighters.

The universe will be divided into 4 groups:
  • World Series (16 boxers - 2 Groups of eight)
  • Bush League (32 boxers - 4 Groups of eight)
  • Golden Gloves (32 boxers - 4 Groups of eight)
  • Rookie League (remaining boxers - will organize groups as needed)
Each year, all groups will hold round robin tournaments to determine who advances, who stays and who gets demoted.

GROUP PLAY
World Series Group:
  • Will be divided into 2 groups of eight boxers. At the end of the round-robin tournaments, 1st & 2nd place finishers of both groups will box-off to determine the seasons World Series Champ.
  • 5th & 6th place of both groups will box-off with the second place finishers of the Bush League. Winner to the World Series group, loser to the Bush League.
  • 7th & 8th place of both groups will be demoted to the Bush League

Bush-League:
Divided into 4 groups of eight.
  • 1st place finishers of all 4 groups will be promoted to the World Series group.
  • 2nd place finishers will box-off against 5th & 6th place from the World Series group. Winners to the WS group, losers to the Bush-League.
  • 5th & 6th place finishers will box-off against 3rd & 4th place from the Golden Gloves group. Winners to the Bush-League group, losers to the Golden Gloves group.
  • 7th & 8th place from all 4 groups will be demoted to the Golden Gloves group.
Golden Gloves:
  • 1st & 2nd place finishers of all 4 groups will be promoted to the Bush-League group.
  • 3rd & 4th place will box-off against the 5th & 6th place finishers from the Bush-League. Winners to the Bush-League group & losers to Golden Gloves group.
  • 5th, 6th, 7th & 8th place from all 4 groups will enter a box-off against the top 16 fighters from the Rookie League. Winners to the Golden Gloves group, losers to the Rookie League.
Rookie League
All fighters entering their first season will start in the Rookie League

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1899 round robin tournaments are in the books. Standings before I move onto the box-offs.


ROOKIE LEAGUE
Career
1899 Season
RANK
NAME
RecordWLDKO
1Terry McGovern10-2-0 (9)10209
2George Gardiner10-2-0 (3)10203
3Benny Yanger9-3-0 (2)9302
4Will Curley7-5-0 (2)7502
5Mike Donovan7-5-0 (4)7504
6Willie Fitzgerald7-5-0 (1)7501
7Patsy Sweeney4-7-1 (0)4710
8Aurelio Herrera3-9-0 (1)3901
9Marvin Hart2-9-1 (1)2911
10Abe Goodman0-12-0 (0)01200
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GOLDEN GLOVES
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP A
RecordWLDKO
1Joe Walcott7-0-0 (5)7005
2Rube Ferns5-2-0 (1)5201
3Philadelphia Jack O'Brien5-2-0 (1)5201
4Jack Root4-3-1 (2)4312
5Owen Ziegler3-4-0 (1)3401
6Billy Gardner2-5-0 (0)2500
7George McFadden1-6-1 (0)1610
8Billy Plimmer1-6-0 (0)1600
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP B
RecordWLDKO
1Joe Gans7-0-0 (6)7006
2Charles McCoy5-2-0 (1)5201
3George Cole5-2-1 (2)5212
4Young Peter Jackson4-3-0 (4)4304
5Hank Griffin3-4-1 (0)3410
6Harry Peppers2-5-1 (0)2510
7Harry Harris1-6-1 (1)1611
8Jack Bonner1-6-0 (1)1601
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP C
RecordWLDKO
1Jimmy Barry7-0-0 (5)7005
2Young Corbett II5-2-0 (2)5202
3James Jeffries5-2-0 (3)5203
4Casper Leon3-4-1 (0)3410
5Jimmy Anthony3-4-0 (1)3401
6Frank Erne2-5-1 (1)2511
7Charley Johnson2-5-0 (2)2502
8Utah Bob Thompson1-6-0 (0)1600
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP D
RecordWLDKO
1Jack Johnson7-0-0 (7)7007
2Battling Nelson6-1-0 (1)6101
3Ben Jordan4-3-0 (0)4300
4Billy Ernst3-4-1 (3)3413
5Tom Sharkey3-4-0 (2)3402
6Spike Sullivan2-5-0 (1)2501
7Kid McPartland2-5-1 (0)2510
8Tommy White1-6-0 (0)1600


Promoted to the Bush-League:
Joe Walcott 7-0-0 (5)
Rube Ferns 5-2-0 (1)
Joe Gans 7-0-0 (6)
Charles McCoy 5-2-0 (1)
Jimmy Barry 7-0-0 (5)
Young Corbett II 5-2-0 (2)
Jack Johnson 7-0-0 (7)
Battling Nelson 6-1-0 (1)

Promotion/Demotion box-offs: (winners to Golden Gloves / losers to the Rookie League)

Tommy White 1-6-0 (0) vs. Terry McGovern 10-2-0 (9)
Utah Bob Thompson 1-6-0 (0) vs. George Gardiner 10-2-0 (3)
Jack Bonner 1-6-0 (1) vs. Benny Yanger 9-3-0 (2)
Billy Plimmer 1-6-0 (0) vs. Will Curley 7-5-0 (2)
Kid McPartland 2-5-1 (0) vs. Mike Donovan 7-5-0 (4)
Charley Johnson 2-5-0 (2) vs. Willie Fitzgerald 7-5-0 (1)
Harry Harris 1-6-1 (1) vs. Patsy Sweeney 4-7-1 (0)
George McFadden 1-6-1 (0) vs. Aurelio Herrera 3-9-0 (1)

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BUSH LEAGUE
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP A
RecordWLDKO
1Tommy Ryan6-1-0 (0)6100
2James J Corbett6-1-1 (2)6112
3Joe Choynski5-2-0 (1)5201
4Young Mitchell3-4-1 (1)3411
5Captain James Dalton3-4-1 (1)3411
6Rufe Turner2-5-0 (0)2500
7Solly Smith2-5-1 (1)2511
8Prof. John Donaldson1-6-0 (1)1601
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP B
RecordWLDKO
1Jack McAuliffe6-1-0 (3)6103
2Jack NP Dempsey6-1-0 (5)6105
3Frank Slavin5-2-0 (3)5203
4Charley Mitchell5-2-1 (2)5212
5Jake Kilrain2-5-1 (2)2512
6George LaBlanche2-5-0 (0)2500
7George Lavigne2-5-0 (0)2500
8Cal McCarthy0-7-0 (0)0700
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP C
RecordWLDKO
1Bob Fitzsimmons6-1-0 (5)6105
2George Godfrey5-2-0 (2)5202
3John L Sullivan5-2-1 (4)5214
4Peter Maher3-4-0 (3)3403
5Jack Lalor3-4-1 (2)3412
6Mike Cleary3-4-0 (1)3401
7Mike Lucie3-4-0 (3)3403
8Jack Burke0-7-0 (0)0700
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP D
RecordWLDKO
1Peter Jackson7-0-0 (5)7005
2George Dixon5-2-0 (1)5201
3Young Griffo5-2-0 (1)5201
4Paddy Duffy4-3-1 (4)4314
5Charles Turner3-4-1 (2)3412
6Fred Morris2-5-0 (1)2501
7Torpedo Billy Murphy2-5-0 (1)2501
8Bobby Dobbs0-7-2 (0)0720


Promoted to the World Series group for 1900 season:
Tommy Ryan 6-1-0 (0)
Jack McAuliffe 6-1-0 (3)
Bob Fitzsimmons 6-1-0 (5)
Peter Jackson 7-0-0 (5)

Promotion/Demotion box-offs: (winners to Bush-League / losers to Golden Gloves)

Captain James Dalton 3-4-1 (1) vs. Rube Ferns 5-2-0 (1)
Rufe Turner 2-5-0 (0) vs. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 5-2-0 (1)
Jake Kilrain 2-5-1 (2) vs. Young Peter Jackson 4-3-0 (4)
George LaBlanche 2-5-0 (0) vs. George Cole 5-2-1(2)
Jack Lalor 3-4-1 (2) vs. Casper Leon 3-4-1 (0)
Mike Cleary 3-4-0 (1) vs. James Jeffries 5-2-0 (3)
Charles Turner 3-4-1 (2) vs. Billy Ernst 3-4-1 (3)
Fred Morris 2-5-0 (1) vs. Ben Jordan 4-3-0 (0)

Boxers demoted to the Golden Gloves league:


Solly Smith 2-5-1 (1)
Prof. John Donaldson 1-6-0 (1)
George Lavigne 2-5-0 (0)
Cal McCarthy 0-7-0 (0)
Mike Lucie 3-4-0 (3)
Jack Burke 0-7-0 (0)
Torpedo Billy Murphy 2-5-0 (1)
Bobby Dobbs 0-7-2 (0)

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KFC WORLD SERIES
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP A
RecordWLDKO
1Larry Foley6-1-0 (1)6101
2Jem Mace6-1-1 (2)6112
3John J Dwyer5-2-0 (2)5202
4Tom McAlpine4-3-0 (2)4302
5Young Dutch Sam4-3-1 (2)4312
6Charles Norton2-5-1 (1)2511
7Tom Allen1-6-1 (0)1610
8John Scholes1-6-0 (0)1600
Career
1899 Season
RANK
GROUP B
RecordWLDKO
1Joe Goss6-1-0 (4)6104
2Jimmy Elliot4-3-1 (1)4311
3John C Heenan4-3-0 (3)4303
4Prof. Charles Hadley4-3-0 (0)4300
5Bill Farnan3-4-1 (3)3413
6Tommy Barnes3-4-1 (0)3410
7Dick Hollywood2-5-1 (2)2512
8Joe Coburn2-5-0 (0)2500


World Series Box-off schedule

Larry Foley 6-1-0 (1) vs. Jimmy Elliot 4-3-1 (1)
Joe Goss 6-1-0 (4) vs. Jem Mace 6-1-1 (2)
winners will box-off to determine the 1899 World Series champion

Promotion / Demotion box-offs: (winners to World Series group, losers to the Bush-League)

Young Dutch Sam 4-3-1 (2) vs. James J Corbett 6-1-1 (2)
Bill Farnan 3-4-1 (3) vs. Jack NP Dempsey 6-1-0 (5)
Charles Norton 2-5-1 (1) vs. George Godfrey 5-2-0 (2)
Tommy Barnes 3-4-1 (0) vs. George Dixon 5-2-0 (1)

Boxers demoted to the Bush League:
Tom Allen 1-6-1 (0)
John Scholes 1-6-0 (0)
Dick Hollywood 2-5-1 (2)
Joe Coburn 2-5-0 (0)

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I LIKE THIS!!!!!! Question what (if anything) are you doing about the aging?
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SAL another question after the "champion" is declared you move on to the next "season" say Larry Foley goes 8-1 stays in the world series and Peter Jackson at 7-0 and the next season Foley goes 12-5 and Jackson 14-0. Would Foley say go to #2 on his overall or would he drop lower since he went 4-4 the next "season"? Even better example would be Jimmy Elliott say goes 11-5-1 would he be 3rd due to his overall record or higher because he went 6-1-0 in the next season? Another question would be how would you bring in teh new fighters would you have them fight against the ones that got regulated due to losing in the golden gloves or are they on their own?
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Question what (if anything) are you doing about the aging?
I'm using a form of Cube's aging system. All fighters start at Prime with 135 career points. Each fight costs a fighter 1 career point, a loss is an additional 2 pts or a draw is an additional 1 point. Once a fighter reaches 30 points, he will go post-prime, down to 10 points, end.
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SAL another question after the "champion" is declared you move on to the next season?
The champions will be seasonal just like in baseball, football, etc.

The season record for each fighter will start at 0-0-0 (0) every year for the Round Robin tournaments in all groups. I'm just maintaining the career record for aging. The round robin record is what counts year to year to qualify for the World Series championship.

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Box-Offs

Golden Gloves Promotion/Demotion box-offs: (winners to Golden Gloves / losers to the Rookie League)
* Golden Glove fighters listed first

Tommy White 1-6-0 (0) L KO 6 Terry McGovern 10-2-0 (9)
Utah Bob Thompson 1-6-0 (0) L KO 3 George Gardiner 10-2-0 (3)
Jack Bonner 1-6-0 (1) L UD 12 Benny Yanger 9-3-0 (2)
Billy Plimmer 1-6-0 (0) W MD 12 Will Curley 7-5-0 (2)
Kid McPartland 2-5-1 (0) Draw 12 Mike Donovan 7-5-0 (4)
Charley Johnson 2-5-0 (2) L TKO 12 Willie Fitzgerald 7-5-0 (1)
Harry Harris 1-6-1 (1) W KO 4 Patsy Sweeney 4-7-1 (0)
George McFadden 1-6-1 (0) W UD 12 Aurelio Herrera 3-9-0 (1)


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Bush-League Promotion/Demotion box-offs: (winners to Bush-League / losers to Golden Gloves)
* Bush-League fighters listed first

Captain James Dalton 3-4-1 (1) W UD 12 Rube Ferns 5-2-0 (1)
Rufe Turner 2-5-0 (0) L TKO 9 Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 5-2-0 (1)
Jake Kilrain 2-5-1 (2) L UD 12 Young Peter Jackson 4-3-0 (4)
George LaBlanche 2-5-0 (0) W SD 12 George Cole 5-2-1(2)
Jack Lalor 3-4-1 (2) L TKO 10 Casper Leon 3-4-1 (0)
Mike Cleary 3-4-0 (1) L UD 12 James Jeffries 5-2-0 (3)
Charles Turner 3-4-1 (2) L UD 12 Billy Ernst 3-4-1 (3)
Fred Morris 2-5-0 (1) L TKO 10 Ben Jordan 4-3-0 (0)

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World Series Promotion / Demotion box-offs: (winners to World Series group, losers to the Bush-League)
* World Series fighters listed first

Young Dutch Sam 3-4-1 (2) L UD 12 James J Corbett 6-1-1 (2)
Bill Farnan 3-4-1 (3) L TKO 12 Jack NP Dempsey 6-1-0 (5)
Charles Norton 2-5-1 (1) W UD 12 George Godfrey 5-2-0 (2)
Tommy Barnes 3-4-1 (0) L TKO 8 George Dixon 5-2-0 (1)
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WORLD SERIES TOURNAMENT
1st round

Larry Foley 6-1-0 (1) L SD 12 Jimmy Elliot 4-3-1 (1)

Joe Goss 6-1-0 (4) L UD 12 Jem Mace 6-1-1 (2)


Championship bout

Jimmy Elliot 5-3-1 (1) L DQ 8 Jem Mace 7-1-1 (2)


1899 World Series winner - Jem Mace 8-1-1 (2)
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interesting on the aging system so a season record then a career record is separate so the only way a "champion" can defend is being in the top 4 the following season so a 7-1 one season and a 4-4 next is probably not in the playoff next season. This is a VERY INTERESTING system I am looking at a few tweaks to adapt to my system and I really like this format you came up with.
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interesting on the aging system so a season record then a career record is separate so the only way a "champion" can defend is being in the top 4 the following season so a 7-1 one season and a 4-4 next is probably not in the playoff next season. This is a VERY INTERESTING system I am looking at a few tweaks to adapt to my system and I really like this format you came up with.
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well I made a few tweaks to mine. only changes I made are the rookies of 16 fighting 5-8 place in golden gloves winners goes to Golden Gloves losers are RETIRED!, changing Bush League to Contender.and after the tournaments are done after the round robins (in second year final months) I'll put the fighters that are in each group and RANDOMLY assign them to their new groups. ( made a kick ass excel program to do just that ). The last change I am making is in the aging beginner 8 fights to pre prime then 8 more to prime 36 to 54 to go to post prime 18 to 36 to End and 8 to 9 more to retire. (max number of fights in a two year period will be 9 (championship tourney))
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Looks good Zyber. Enjoy.
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1900 Season Preview

A look at the 1900 Rookie League. 8 fighters join the KFC this year. Newcomers Abe Attell, Dave Holly and Owen Moran should have a great season.


ROOKIE LEAGUE
Career
1900 Season

RANKNAMERecordWLDKO
Charley Johnson2-6-0 (2)0000
Tommy White1-7-0 (0)0000
Jack Bonner1-7-0 (1)0000
Utah Bob Thompson1-7-0 (0)0000
Will Curley7-6-0 (2)0000
Mike Donovan7-5-1 (4)0000
Patsy Sweeney4-8-1 (0)0000
Aurelio Herrera3-10-0 (1)0000
Abe Kid Goodman0-12-0 (0)0000
Marvin Hart2-9-1 (1)0000
Abe Attell0-0-0 (0)0000
Dave Holly0-0-0 (0)0000
Dixie Kid0-0-0 (0)0000
Billy Maharg0-0-0 (0)0000
Eddie McGoorty0-0-0 (0)0000
Owen Moran0-0-0 (0)0000
Jack Sullivan0-0-0 (0)0000
Mike Sullivan0-0-0 (0)0000
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Looks good Zyber. Enjoy.
Thanks Sal now with over 20k of REAL fighters I'll get them into this uni eventually i decided to RFG 96 fighters then randomly assign them to the groups (many of which came over from my other uni) and then start bringing 8 real and 8 rfg fighters every two years. This just might be one of my more FUN uni's and i split them up into my classic 0-6 and 7-15 rated groups should be fun
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A look at the 1900 Rookie League. 8 fighters join the KFC this year. Newcomers Abe Attell, Dave Holly and Owen Moran should have a great season.


ROOKIE LEAGUE
Career
1900 Season

RANKNAMERecordWLDKO
Charley Johnson2-6-0 (2)0000
Tommy White1-7-0 (0)0000
Jack Bonner1-7-0 (1)0000
Utah Bob Thompson1-7-0 (0)0000
Will Curley7-6-0 (2)0000
Mike Donovan7-5-1 (4)0000
Patsy Sweeney4-8-1 (0)0000
Aurelio Herrera3-10-0 (1)0000
Abe Kid Goodman0-12-0 (0)0000
Marvin Hart2-9-1 (1)0000
Abe Attell0-0-0 (0)0000
Dave Holly0-0-0 (0)0000
Dixie Kid0-0-0 (0)0000
Billy Maharg0-0-0 (0)0000
Eddie McGoorty0-0-0 (0)0000
Owen Moran0-0-0 (0)0000
Jack Sullivan0-0-0 (0)0000
Mike Sullivan0-0-0 (0)0000
Abe Attell was a heavyweight? The same one that helped fix teh 1919 world series? Anyway I'm looking more at the bottom of that list a man named JACK!
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Abe Attell was a heavyweight? The same one that helped fix teh 1919 world series? Anyway I'm looking more at the bottom of that list a man named JACK!
Abe is a Featherweight. This is a P4P universe. No adjustments when a smaller guy fights a larger man.
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Abe is a Featherweight. This is a P4P universe. No adjustments when a smaller guy fights a larger man.
ah that would be an interesting twist then.
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Hey SAL!

I have started an organization that I want to reset to a promotion-relegation, one-weight structure more akin to sumo.

Good luck to you!!
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