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Old 04-19-2010, 12:13 AM   #1
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Tell Us About Your Historical Games

It's been pretty quiet here in the historical forum since OOTP11 launched about a week ago. So let's get some discussion going.

Tell us about your historical games so far. What kind of games are you running, with what settings, and what have you seen that is fun or interesting?

I've been running a lot of test simulations and helping answer questions on the forums, but I tried a couple of experiments today.

One was a 1929 game which I simulated until the end of the season and then held a rookie draft. I made the draft selections for all teams through the first couple of rounds, primarily helping teams address their positional needs and bring in impact players. I was surprised to see how many of these rookies made a major splash with their teams.

Wally Berger is hands-down the best immediate impact player in the 1930 rookie class. I selected him first overall for the Boston Red Sox, who had just finished dead last in the majors. Berger went on to lead the Red Sox in nearly every offensive category as a rookie, and Boston improved its record by 15 wins in 1930.

Several other players ended up in the starting lineups for their teams and ended up among the leaders on their squads. Some even beat out established veterans for playing time along the way.

In my other experiment, the New York Yankess did the unthinkable heading into the 1929 season and traded Babe Ruth to the Pittsburgh Pirates for star outfielder Paul Waner and relief standout Steve Swetonic. Of course, the AI would never have made this trade, so it was a deal that I put through as commissioner.

I wanted to use ratings based on neutralized stats and see how Ruth would perform in cavernous Forbes Field. By the way, I'm using park factors from Garlon's stadium chart.

Much to my disappointment, Ruth suffered no ill effects through his first two seasons in Pittsburgh. The only issue was a precipitous drop in RBI production, but that was due to the lineup around him and not the ballpark. Otherwise his home run totals and other offensive numbers were almost identical to those he achieved with the Yankees in 1929 and 1930. So the neutralized stats and park factors were no match for Ruth, despite moving from the house that he built to a hitter's nightmare in Pittsburgh.

Interestingly, the Pirates and Yankees met in the 1929 World Series, and Ruth got the better of his old team as Pittsburgh came away with the title. But the Pirates fell apart in the next season and finished with fewer than 70 wins in 1930, while the Yankees returned to the fall classic to win it all.

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I started in 1871 with Baltimore and was fired after 8 games. I started 1872 with Cincy and finished in first place but lost to St Louis in 5 games for the championship. My team includes Al "Uncle Al" Pratt, George Wright, Jimmy Wood, George Bechtel, and Bill Boyd.
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I'm planning on starting in 1930, and adding the DH in the NL.

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The rationale for the designated hitter rule is that, with a few exceptions — most notably Babe Ruth, who began his career as a pitcher with the Boston Red Sox — pitchers are usually weak hitters who ordinarily perform once every four or five games. The designated hitter idea was first floated by Philadelphia Athletics manager Connie Mack in 1906. The rumors were that he grew weary of watching Eddie Plank and Charles Bender flail away at pitches and call it batting. Mack's innovative proposal received little support and was even lambasted by the press as "wrong theoretically." The notion did not die. In the late 1920s, National League president John Heydler made a number of attempts to introduce a 10th man designated hitter as a way to speed up the game, and almost convinced National League clubs to agree to try it during spring training in 1929.
My scenario is that the NL did try it in 1929, and then voted it in the next season. Although it would never happen in 1930, it's fun to create what if scenarios.
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I've done differently than what I do usually this year (mostly because of the new draft and the facegen features) and start right at the beginning with 1871. Not that much to report since I've played only 4 games in my first season, but this my initial drafting :

Drafted SP Bobby Mathews in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall pick).
Drafted 2B Jimmy Wood in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 2, Pick 7, 15th overall pick).
Drafted MR Rynie Wolters in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 3, Pick 2, 18th overall pick).
Drafted C Doug Allison in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 4, Pick 7, 31st overall pick).
Drafted LF John Hatfield in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 5, Pick 2, 34th overall pick).
Drafted CF Count Sensenderfer in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 6, Pick 7, 47th overall pick).
Drafted SS Davy Force in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 7, Pick 2, 50th overall pick).
Drafted 3B Bob Ferguson in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 8, Pick 7, 63rd overall pick).
Drafted 1B Wes Fisler in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 9, Pick 2, 66th overall pick).
Drafted 2B Caleb Johnson in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 10, Pick 7, 79th overall pick).
Drafted C Charlie Mills in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 11, Pick 2, 82nd overall pick).
Drafted 1B Joe Simmons in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 12, Pick 7, 95th overall pick).
Drafted CF Bob Armstrong in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 13, Pick 2, 98th overall pick).
Drafted CF Harry Deane in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 14, Pick 7, 111st overall pick).
Drafted 1B Charlie Bierman in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 15, Pick 2, 114th overall pick).

I'm Brooklyn, we play for .500 and my owner is crazy since he thinks I can win the world series with this rooster.
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I've done differently than what I do usually this year (mostly because of the new draft and the facegen features) and start right at the beginning with 1871. Not that much to report since I've played only 4 games in my first season, but this my initial drafting :

Drafted SP Bobby Mathews in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 1, Pick 2, 2nd overall pick).
Drafted 2B Jimmy Wood in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 2, Pick 7, 15th overall pick).
Drafted 2B Caleb Johnson in the 1871 inaugural draft (Round 10, Pick 7, 79th overall pick).
Bobby Mathews played for me in 1871 in Baltimore. Wood and Johnson play for me in 1872 with Cincinnati. Mathews was 15-35 in 1872.
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I started in 1871 with Baltimore and was fired after 8 games.
I take it you were 0-8? Wow, what kind of an owner were your managing under?
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I started an '85 historical replay but have abandoned it because A. trades we being made very curiously by the AI and B. I want my draft to be based off of the real life pro debuts so am waiting for the newest Spritze DBs.

In the meantime, I am doing a historical replay taking the best teams of the 80's and seeing who would win over a 156 game season. You can follow along here:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-best-80s.html
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I just finished running an 1871-2010 sim and am looking through the history for the first time as I type this. Recalc was off. Some things that have caught my eye:

Darryl Strawberry is the only man to hit 4 HRs in a game, doing so in 1988 against Seattle while playing for Detroit. 4-5, 6 RBIs.

Sam Trott (1882), Paul Richards (1945) and Ivan Rodriguez (1992) are the only men with 7 hits in a game. Pudge was a perfect 7 for 7.

Herb Score (1958) K'd 19 guys in a 9 inning game, Drysdale did 19 in a 10 inning game five years later.

George Mullin (1909), Jim Beattie (1980), Mike Krukow (1982), Shawn Boskie (1991) and Jason Schmidt (2004) have each thrown a perfect game. I was surprised to see such a gap between Mullin and Beattie. Mullin's name must have been legendary for a long time as the only man to throw a perfect game.

Ken Griffey hit 63 HRs in 1994, breaking McGwire's 1986 record of 62 HRs, breaking Roman Mejias' record of 54 that was set in 1962 that itself broke Ruth's 50 HR mark from 1922. Ruth would also hit 50 in '24. McGwire had 167 RBIs that season, passing Fred Dunlap's 160 that had stood since 1895.

The Triple Crown was accomplished sixteen times, five of those were by Babe Ruth. Ruth's 1375.65 VORP is the best all time. Jim Thome (1330.80) has a chance to pass him, but I doubt he will. Ted Williams, Hornsby, Wade Bogg and Chuck Klein round out the others over 1000 VORP.

Seven guys have 3000 hits, Hornsby leads the way with 3837. Thome's 697 HRs lead the twelve person 500 club. Fred McGriff has 1927 career RBIs, Thome has 1921. Billy Hamilton has 1391 steals, more than four hundred ahead of Ed McKean.
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I just finished running an 1871-2010 sim and am looking through the history for the first time as I type this. Recalc was off. Some things that have caught my eye:

Darryl Strawberry is the only man to hit 4 HRs in a game, doing so in 1988 against Seattle while playing for Detroit. 4-5, 6 RBIs.

Sam Trott (1882), Paul Richards (1945) and Ivan Rodriguez (1992) are the only men with 7 hits in a game. Pudge was a perfect 7 for 7.

Herb Score (1958) K'd 19 guys in a 9 inning game, Drysdale did 19 in a 10 inning game five years later.

George Mullin (1909), Jim Beattie (1980), Mike Krukow (1982), Shawn Boskie (1991) and Jason Schmidt (2004) have each thrown a perfect game. I was surprised to see such a gap between Mullin and Beattie. Mullin's name must have been legendary for a long time as the only man to throw a perfect game.

Ken Griffey hit 63 HRs in 1994, breaking McGwire's 1986 record of 62 HRs, breaking Roman Mejias' record of 54 that was set in 1962 that itself broke Ruth's 50 HR mark from 1922. Ruth would also hit 50 in '24. McGwire had 167 RBIs that season, passing Fred Dunlap's 160 that had stood since 1895.

The Triple Crown was accomplished sixteen times, five of those were by Babe Ruth. Ruth's 1375.65 VORP is the best all time. Jim Thome (1330.80) has a chance to pass him, but I doubt he will. Ted Williams, Hornsby, Wade Bogg and Chuck Klein round out the others over 1000 VORP.

Seven guys have 3000 hits, Hornsby leads the way with 3837. Thome's 697 HRs lead the twelve person 500 club. Fred McGriff has 1927 career RBIs, Thome has 1921. Billy Hamilton has 1391 steals, more than four hundred ahead of Ed McKean.
Would you mind sharing your 300 game winners? And who holds the longest hitting streak?
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Kelric, that's a bizarre group of guys to be the only pitchers to throw perfect games. Jim Beattie is particularly amusing. But with recalc turned off, maybe those guys were star pitchers in your game.

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Kelric, that's a bizarre group of guys to be the only pitchers to throw perfect games. Jim Beattie is particularly amusing. But with recalc turned off, maybe those guys were start pitchers in your game.
The 18 pitchers that have thrown perfect games IRL include this guy, this guy, and most famously this guy. I wouldn't consider any of these three to have had a better career than Beattie, but that's besides the point. The point is that throwing perfect games has absolutely nothing to do with a pitcher's eventual career accomplishments. Perfect games do not a great pitcher make, unless you think any of these gentlemen, and you might as well throw Len Barker in there as well, deserve a plaque in Cooperstown.
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Kelric, that's a bizarre group of guys to be the only pitchers to throw perfect games. Jim Beattie is particularly amusing. But with recalc turned off, maybe those guys were start pitchers in your game.
Beattie pitched thirteen seasons for the Blue Jaysgoing 193-163 over 3184 innings with a 3.59 ERA and 110 ERA+. His best season was easily his second season, 1979, when he went 19-11 with a 2.90 ERA in 328 IP with 40 starts. He did walk 118, though. For the most part Toronto was pretty terrible during his tenure.

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Would you mind sharing your 300 game winners? And who holds the longest hitting streak?
Chuck Klein had a 46 game hit streak in 1931.

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Rank		Player	W	YEAR	
1	Larry McKeon*	427	1885-1906	 
2	Larry Corcoran*	424	1881-1899	 
3	Silver King*	414	1887-1910	 
4	Bill Stemmeyer*	387	1885-1910	 
5	Willie McGill*	369	1890-1913	 
6	Tim Keefe*	368	1880-1898	 
7	Ed Morris*	361	1884-1901	 
8	Sadie McMahon*	360	1889-1907	 
9	Pud Galvin*	357	1875-1896	 
10	Frank Tanana*	354	1973-1995	 
11	Pete Conway*	343	1885-1902	 
12	Charlie Ferguson*	341	1884-1901	 
13	Walter Johnson*	338	1908-1929	 
14	Bert Blyleven*	332	1970-1996	 
15	Nap Rucker*	331	1907-1926	 
16	Charley Radbourn*	330	1882-1896	 
17	Toad Ramsey*	326	1885-1903	 
18	Scott Stratton*	324	1888-1909	 
19	Matt Kilroy*	322	1887-1904	 
20	Jim Whitney*	319	1881-1895	 
21	Charlie Getzien*	317	1884-1909	 
22	Jim Britt*	316	1872-1901	 
23	Johnny Babich*	315	1934-1958	 
24	Pete Donohue*	313	1922-1946	 
24	Tony Mullane*	313	1881-1895	 
26	Sam Weaver*	312	1876-1900	 
27	Mickey Hughes*	311	1888-1905	 
28	Jose Rijo#	303	1984-2009
Blyleven! His 1120 VORP leads baseball, followed by Silver King (1030), McKeon (1027) and Ed Morris (1011).

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Larry McKeon? Wow. Guess for your history it would be called the "Larry McKeon Award"...although you could name it after Larry Corcoran almost as easily. I suppose the "Larry Award" will do!

So, while we're on the subject...how did Cy Young do??
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Cy Young went 232-270 for Brooklyn, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Philly (AL) and Detroit. He had a 3.14 ERA over 4520 innings with a 103 ERA+. He never really had any outstanding seasons.
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I'm Brooklyn, we play for .500 and my owner is crazy since he thinks I can win the world series with this rooster.
It looks like he isn't that crazy after all. I'm at the all-star break and my team is at the first place with 10 win and 5 loss. Of course my team success depend of the health of Bobby Matthews... if he is injured the team would be in big trouble (Rynie Wolters my other pitcher is less than impressive with a 9.00 ERA in 5 inning with only a 3/20 for stamina).

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Which Year to Begin

What year is best to start a career league in? In Mogul I normally would begin in 1903 so the Yankees would be there. However, I love 19th century baseball and would to like to start off sometime pre-dead ball. Right now I'm thinking 1883 when the New York Gothams kicked off in the National League, i.e. the New York Giants franchise start.

Thoughts?

What year to do you birth yourself as manager as well, to play the game?
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I start in 1871 and go from there. I put myself at 19 or 20 years old and when I get up to around 60, then I respawn myself.
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I've started a 1972 historical league using the Phillies, my goal is to see if I can recreate the glory years of the team in the 70's while trying to win at least one world series, just as the team did in 1980. I have one house rule, I can only trade for or sign as a free agent(once free agency becomes a part of the league) players who have actually played for the Phils in real life. Following the 1972 season, I'm going to slowly begin the implementation of free agency, starting with players with 12 or more years experience then work down from there until following the 1976 season, we have what we have now, 6 years for free agency.
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