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Old 02-18-2010, 01:41 PM   #1
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1901 - 2009 Replay

I got bored this morning and rather than being productive, I ran a replay. Players imported with their proper teams, three levels of minors, recalc off, etc.

The Red Sox made the playoffs 22 times and had 9 championships. The Twins 25/10, Yanks 23/7, Athletics 28/9, Giants 25/11, the Cardinals... 35/16. Most teams were spread out in their victories, bunching them together in twos or threes and then fading away. The Twins appeared in eleven World Series between 1964 and 1976, winning 8 of them. The Diamondbacks are the only franchise not to make the playoffs - the Rays have once. The White Sox and the Cubs combined for 12 playoff appearances and zero World Series victories. Sorry, Chicago. Kansas City, the Angels, the Blue Jays and the Nationals round out those with no rings. The Orioles have the worst franchise win percentage at .464, not counting the DBacks at .458. The Cardinals lead at .538.

Eight men have hit 4 HRs in a game, nobody has done 5. Bob Horner and George Sisler are the only players with 7 hits in a game. Austin McHenry had a hit in 41 straight games in 1921.

Sandy Koufax struck out 18 in a game. Bill Donovan, Doug Drabek, Johnny Podres, Sam McDowell and Walter Johnson have thrown two No-Hitters. Al Orth (1902), Art Fromme (1907), Jim Merritt (1967), Tom Griffin (1981), Shane Rawley (1985), Roy Smith (1986), Frank Castillo (1997) are those who have pitched perfect games. Frank Castillo!

By VORP, Rogers Hornsby is far and away the best hitter with a 1799.43 mark. He played from 1915 through 1936, amassing 2324 runs (3rd all time), 4050 hits (2nd), 469 HRs (27th), 2063 RBIs (7th) and a .374/.448/.603 slash line.

Bert Blyleven put up a 1340.21 VORP between 1970 and 1989. His 394 wins are third behind Cy Young and Kid Nichols. 693 starts (7th) with a .6888 win percentage (3rd behind pe-sim Al Spalding and Dave Foutz), 5472.1 IP (7th), 5034 strikeouts (1st. 2nd place is Floyd Youmans (who?) with 3906).

Nomar Garciaparra is 2nd in VORP with 1346.03, and is still active with terrific ratings at the start of 2009. 2767 hits, 597 doubles and homeruns with a .365/.413/.700 start line. A .700 slugging! That is far and away the best of all time, with Pujols trailing at .637. He hit .405 in 2000, becoming the first man to hit .400 since... Lance Berkman hit .410 in 2000. Before them you have to go to George Sisler in 1929 with .400.

Babe Ruth imported as a pitcher and only saw parts of five seasons of big league action out of the bullpen.

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Too bad Floyd Youmans wasn't that great in real life. He was the key guy with Hubie Brooks in the Garry Carter trade to New York...

BTW what kind of success had achieved the Expos in your simulation?

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I always ask. How did Fergie Jenkins do? It always seems that he is never as good in the simulations.
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The Washington Nationals nee Expos have had a frustrating history. Eight of their first nine years were spent with more than 90 losses in 5th or 6th place. They slowly improved over the next few seasons, making the World Series in 1981, losing to the Athletics, and the NLCS in 1982. That 1981 team featured Carter, Raines, Dawson, Tony Bernazard and Gary Roenicke's 104 VORP season. Charlie Lea won 21 games while Sanderson, Gullickson and Palmer all won 15 to 18. Bob James saved 37 games.

1983 and '84 were spent in second place followed by another NLCS deeat in '85. The team fell apart after that and finished at least 11 games back every season but one until 1994. Between 1994 and 2001 they made the playoffs five times, only winning the division once, but never advanced to the World Series. These were the Walker/Floyd (still with the Expos through 2008)/Guerrero teams with Youmans, Kirk Rueter, Mel Rojas and Ugie Urbina on the staff.

They have bounced between fifth and first place since then.

Fergie Jenkins pitched for fifteen seasons with the Phillies, Giants and Angels. He went 173-162 with a 3.86 ERA, totalling 2918 IP in 463 starts. In 1965 he tore his labrum, had a partial tear again in '68 and '73. 1974 saw a flexor tendon tear in his elbow and 1979 gave him shoulder inflammation, leading directly to his retirement that offseason. His sophomore campaign was his best: 41.4 VORP, 19-10, 2.75 ERA, 238 IP, 187 Ks. He ranks tenth on the Phillies leaderboard in losses with 123, helped along by his 22 losses in 1971 (7th worst for them, but 2nd worst since 1891). 10th on all time starts list for Philadelphia, fifth in strikeouts, ninth in K/BBs.
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Well the Cubs and White Sox seem almost the same as real life. maybe if they had won a few titles.
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Well the Cubs and White Sox seem almost the same as real life. maybe if they had won a few titles.
It is rather sad, isn't it? The White Sox made the playoffs 8 times: 1916, '19, '24, '25... then they'd have to wait until 2003, '05, '06 and '08. Their top five hitters, by VORP: Carlos May, Magglio Ordonez, Jack Fournier, Frank Thomas, Bibb Falk. May actually made the Hall of Fame, spending all but the final season of his career with the White Sox. 2558 hits, 427 2Bs, 313 HRs, .305/.390/.483 with one MVP and 9 All Star selections. Their top five pitchers: Ted Blankenship, Ed Lopat, Garys Peters, Ed Walsh and Jim Parque. Parque and Maggs are still active with the White Sox, Frank Thomas became a free agent after 1995 and is now out of baseball. He was a beast for the Sox before fading away early. 2 MVPs, Rookie of the Year, 7 of his 9 All Star appearances with Chicago.

The Cubs made the playoffs in 1930, '34, '35 and... 1990. Gabby Hartnett, Dolph Camilli, Marcus Jensen, Stan Hack and Rafael Palmeiro are their five best batters. Palmeiro spent the first six years of his career with the Cubs before fleeing to Kansas City in free agency. He finished his career in the Hall of Fame with 3026 hits, 525 doubles, 486 HRs and a .311/.384/.525 line. All three of his MVPs were with the Cubs as well as 4 of his 6 All Star games.

On the mound they looked towards the immortal Frank Castillo (still active with the Cubs: a 659 VORP, 195-206 record, 3.83 ERA, 2581 Ks in 3576 IP), John Buzhardt, Dick Ellsworth, Ed Morris and Pat Malone. Greg Maddux (10th by VORP) pitched 17 of his 19 seasons with them and went 158-217 with a 4.57 ERA over 530 starts.
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Fergie Jenkins pitched for fifteen seasons with the Phillies, Giants and Angels. He went 173-162 with a 3.86 ERA, totalling 2918 IP in 463 starts. In 1965 he tore his labrum, had a partial tear again in '68 and '73. 1974 saw a flexor tendon tear in his elbow and 1979 gave him shoulder inflammation, leading directly to his retirement that offseason. His sophomore campaign was his best: 41.4 VORP, 19-10, 2.75 ERA, 238 IP, 187 Ks. He ranks tenth on the Phillies leaderboard in losses with 123, helped along by his 22 losses in 1971 (7th worst for them, but 2nd worst since 1891). 10th on all time starts list for Philadelphia, fifth in strikeouts, ninth in K/BBs.
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Actually considering the RL Phillies history, this could have been his record had he not been traded to the Cubs.
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Did you turn on free agency and if so when? Also can you give the top 10 in both single season and career in HRs, Hits and SBs for hitters and Wins, Saves and Ks for pitchers. Also did you use adjust league totals for accuracy? I like to turn this off and let the actual yearly totals each year control the replay. Gives some very interesting numbers.

Also how did the Dodgers and Bill Buckner do?

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Free agency was turned on after 1975, adjusement for accuracy was on.

Buckner stayed in baseball for 14 seasons, most with the Dodgers, only garnering 1234 hits and a .276/.306/.363 line. 2 All Star games, nothing else of note.

The Dodgers finished the sim with a .497 win percentage, 16 playoff appearances and 3 championships. They didn't win their division until 1940, followed by 1941. They were mediocre until 1958, again making the playoffs, and won the World Series in 1960 and 1962. '65 was another defeat, 1967 was their third and final ring. 1978, '92, '95, 2000, '01, '05-'08 were their other playoff years. They had a ton of turnover amongst their positional players while winning those championships with only Frank Howard being a starter for all three. They were, of course, led by Koufax, Drysdale and Podres. Perranoski held down the closer position.

Their top five hitters were Charlie Neal, Adrian Beltre (still active and only 29), Campanella, Steve Garvey, Mariano Duncan. Koufax, Pedro (still active), Van Mungo, Don Sutton and Don Drysdale were their five best pitchers. Koufax spent 17 seasons with them, one with the Expos and nine with the Astros. All told, he played from 1955 through 1981. His time out of LA was spent almost entirely in the bullpen and was entirely terrible. After leaving LA he never had an ERA below 5.25 yet still logged almost 500 innings. His overall VORP was 641, but that counts the fact that he logged a NEGATIVE 198 after leaving the Dodgers. 270-208, 3.14 ERA, 4277 innings (551 starts and 200 bullpen appearances), 3891 strikeouts.

I'll give the general leaderboards later on.
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When applicable, I deleted the pre-sim, pre-1901 records. I left in the overall ranking so you can see where they officially wound up. I can't give you single season wins as all of the records are pre-1901. My fault for importing complete history, I suppose. * Indicates Hall of Fame, # indicates active Player.

Single Season Homeruns
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1	Mark McGwire*	     74	     1997	 
2	Mark McGwire*	     67	     1994	 
3	Nomar Garciaparra#   66	     2002	 
4	Mark McGwire*	     65	     1988	 
5	Carlos Pena#	     64	     2002	 
5	Ryan Howard#	     64	     2006	 
7	Carlos Pena#	     62	     2004	 
7	Roger Maris	     62      1961	 
9	Prince Fielder#	     61	     2006	 
9	Nomar Garciaparra#   61	     2000	 
11	Nomar Garciaparra#   60	     2003	 
11	Todd Helton#	     60	     2001	 
11	Bob Allison	     60      1964
I love that with recalc off, Maris hit 62 in '61. The previous record was Mantle's 57 in '58.

Single Season Hits
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1	Rogers Hornsby*	     266	1924	 
2	Austin McHenry	     265	1921	 
2	Nomar Garciaparra#   265	2000	 
4	Rod Carew*	     264	1970	 
5	George Burns	     261	1921	 
6	Rogers Hornsby*	     257	1920	 
7	George Sisler*	     254	1929	 
8	Bob Horner*	     253	1982	 
9	Al Simmons*	     250	1932	 
9	Rogers Hornsby*	     250	1921	 
11	Glenn Wright	     247	1926	 
11	Nomar Garciaparra#   247	1998
Single Season Steals
Code:
2	Rajai Davis#	132	2008	 
4	Rajai Davis#	122	2007	 
5	Vince Coleman	119	1988	 
7	Larry Lintz	111	1978	 
12	Juan Samuel	108	1987	 
18	Brett Butler	100	1988	 
20	Jeff Stone	98	1988	 
20	Juan Samuel	98	1986	 
25	Willie Wilson	96	1977	 
26	Brett Butler	95	1981
Single Season Saves
Code:
1	Dave Righetti	51	1986	 
2	Mike Henneman	50	1991	 
3	Roger McDowell	49	1989	 
3	Al Holland	49	1985	 
5	Billy Koch#	48	2006	 
5	Roger McDowell	48	1990	 
5	Jonathan Papelbon#	48	2008	 
8	Mike Hartley	47	1991	 
8	Manuel Corpas#	47	2008	 
8	Rick Aguilera	47	1989	 
8	Brad Clontz#	47	2004	 
8	Dave Smith	47	1992	 
8	Greg McMichael	47	1994	 
8	Todd Worrell	47	1993
Single Season Strikeouts
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14	Sandy Koufax*	345	1962	 
19	Sandy Koufax*	339	1963	 
24	Sandy Koufax*	331	1964	 
28	Jim Merritt*	321	1966	 
29	Don Drysdale	319	1962	 
33	Milt Pappas*	312	1964	 
34	Sandy Koufax*	310	1967	 
35	Bert Blyleven*	309	1973	 
38	Don Drysdale	307	1961	 
38	Bert Blyleven*	307	1975
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Were the Cubs of 1900-1915 really bad? In RL i think they had some of the best records for 1yr, 2yrs, all the way up to 10 years in the history of baseball.
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Were the Cubs of 1900-1915 really bad? In RL i think they had some of the best records for 1yr, 2yrs, all the way up to 10 years in the history of baseball.
They didn't finish higher than third place until 1922, when they came in second. They had Kling behind the plate with Tinkers/Evers/Chance in the infield and a revolving door everywhere else. Rube Waddell pitched from 1904 to 1910 for them and was an eventual HoFer. He was their only consistent pitcher as everybody else looks like they spent a lot of time shuffling back and forth to Triple-A or only lasted two or three seasons with the club before getting traded or cut.

Career Hits
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1	Ed Delahanty*	4295	1888-1913	 
2	Rogers Hornsby*	4050	1915-1936	 
3	Hal Trosky*	4014	1933-1955	 
4	Al Simmons*	3837	1924-1942	 
5	Steve Garvey*	3675	1969-1990	 
6	Jimmie Foxx*	3571	1925-1949	 
7	George Brett*	3435	1973-1994	 
8	Cap Anson*	3418	1871-1897	 
9	Lou Gehrig*	3385	1924-1946	 
10	Bob Horner*	3338	1978-1995	 
11	George Sisler*	3318	1915-1933	 
12	Rod Carew*	3192	1967-1985	 
13	Eddie Murray*	3144	1977-1995	 
14	Cecil Cooper*	3085	1971-1988	 
15	Jesse Burkett*	3074	1890-1910	 
16	Rafael Palmeiro* 3026	1986-2003	 
17	Jerry Browne*	3016	1986-2007	 
18	Joe Jackson*	3003	1908-1933	 
19	Will Clark	2998	1986-2003
I feel bad for Will Clark. I wish the game tried harder to get guys those types of milestones.

Career Homers
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1	Mark McGwire*	887	1986-2002	 
2	Bob Horner*	742	1978-1995	 
3	Jimmie Foxx*	651	1925-1949	 
4	Jim Thome#	648	1991-2008	 
5	Ted Kluszewski*	622	1947-1962	 
6	Hal Trosky*	606	1933-1955	 
7	Harmon Killebrew*	602	1954-1973	 
8	Nomar Garciaparra#	597	1996-2008	 
9	Carlos Delgado#	561	1993-2008	 
10	Willie McCovey*	552	1959-1978	 
11	Mickey Mantle*	530	1951-1967	 
12	Eddie Murray*	520	1977-1995	 
13	Eddie Mathews*	511	1952-1970	 
14	Lou Gehrig*	508	1924-1946	 
15	Hank Greenberg*	505	1931-1951	 
16	Dwight Evans*	504	1972-1992	 
17	Jose Canseco*	503	1985-2005	 
18	Sammy Sosa	500	1989-2004	 
19	Terry Steinbach*	494	1986-2002	 
20	Jack Clark*	492	1975-1992	 
21	Albert Belle	490	1989-2004	 
21	Todd Helton#	490	1997-2008
Terry Steinbach? Really? Wow. Nice to see Dwight Evans get on that list.

Career Steals
Code:
1	Juan Samuel	929	1983-1994	 
2	Billy Hamilton	928	1888-1906	 
3	Brett Butler	865	1981-1992	 
4	Kenny Lofton	791	1991-2004	 
5	Rickey Henderson 774	1979-1993	 
6	Sherry Magee	759	1904-1920	 
7	Arlie Latham*	738	1880-1899	 
8	Vince Coleman	732	1985-1995	 
9	Frankie Frisch*	719	1919-1936	 
10	Tom Lawless	704	1982-1996
Career Wins
Code:
1	Cy Young*	444	1890-1910	 
2	Kid Nichols*	404	1890-1907	 
3	Bert Blyleven*	394	1970-1989	 
4	Christy Mathewson*	389	1900-1925	 
5	Pud Galvin*	364	1875-1892	 
6	Tim Keefe*	342	1880-1893	 
7	Claude Osteen*	336	1957-1977	 
8	Jim Nash*	334	1966-1990	 
9	John Clarkson*	328	1882-1894	 
10	Larry Dierker*	327	1964-1988	 
11	Rube Marquard*	326	1908-1927	 
12	Walter Johnson*	321	1907-1925	 
13	Ewell Blackwell*	314	1942-1961	 
14	Whit Wyatt*	313	1929-1948	 
15	Charley Radbourn*	309	1881-1891	 
16	Van Mungo*	307	1931-1951	 
16	Mickey Welch*	307	1880-1892	 
16	George Winter*	307	1901-1921	 
19	Cy Falkenberg*	306	1903-1920	 
20	Jim Palmer*	301	1965-1986	 
21	Bobby Mathews	297	1871-1887	 
22	Dwight Gooden#	294	1984-2008
Gooden has been terrible for a decade and has been forced into the bullpen for most of the last five years with the Cardinals. His ratings suck. I don't see him getting 300 without a lot of luck. A lot.

Career Saves
Code:
1	Rich Gossage	459	1972-1992	 
2	Rod Beck#	410	1991-2008	 
3	Gregg Olson	360	1988-2002	 
4	Roger McDowell	356	1985-1997	 
5	Dave Smith	354	1980-1997	 
6	Ugueth Urbina#	345	1995-2008	 
7	John Wetteland	339	1989-2003	 
8	Doug Jones	335	1983-1998	 
9	Jason Isringhausen	326	1995-2008	 
10	Bryan Harvey	325	1987-2001
Beck hasn't been a closer since leaving the Giants for the Braves five years ago. His ratings have dropped and he was mediocre the last two seasons. Gossage's record is safe from him. Urbina is 34 years old, so I don't see him lasting long enough, especially since he wasn't the primary closer the past two years with the Nats. Mariano Rivera only got 61 games with the Yankees between 1996 and 2003. He did get 665 appearances between '95 and '07 for their Triple-A club, however.

Career Strikeouts
Code:
1	Bert Blyleven*	5034	1970-1989	 
2	Floyd Youmans	3906	1985-2004	 
3	David Cone	3902	1986-2006	 
4	Sandy Koufax*	3891	1955-1981	 
5	Jim Nash*	3792	1966-1990	 
6	Larry Dierker*	3760	1964-1988	 
7	Mickey Lolich*	3726	1963-1985	 
8	Dwight Gooden#	3542	1984-2008	 
9	Milt Pappas*	3494	1957-1974	 
10	Pedro Martinez#	3480	1992-2008
Pedro is 37 and mediocre, Blyleven has nothing to worry about.

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Thanx for the info, some interesting numbers...after seeing the Dodgers history and top players, I am curious what happen to the following:

Carl Furillo, Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider, Roy Campanella, Pee Wee Reese, Gil Hodges and Don Newcombe. Also one guy that always seems to do good in my leagues with recal off, Stan Lopata.
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Furillo was replacement level, putting up a .270/.300/.408 line in ten seasons, though he only saw 400+ at-bats in his first and third years. He won a Gold Glove with only 99 games in RF in 1952 and was an All Star in 1948, going .291/.323/.420 in 115 games. His ratings started to drop early and then he got hit with injuries. He was traded to Cleveland in 1953 and played his last season in the bigs with the Red Sox in 1955.

Robinson was good, but not great. 5 AS games and 1 GG with a career 248.7 VORP. .289/.361/.434, 1272 hits. He was traded to the Orioles in 1955 and spent his last season with Kansas City in '57. His best year was 1949, the year he won the GG, with a 56.2 VORP and .304/.390/.481 line.

The Duke had a 149.2 VORP between 1947 and 1962, spending most of his career on the bench or the DL. 1951 was his lone AS selection as he put up a .255/.311/.425 line even though it wasn't his best season. He left Brooklyn after 1954, bouncing to seven different franchises with two stops with the Orioles and Angels.

Roy Campanella. Rookie of the Year, four Gold Gloves, eleven All Star appearances. Between 1948 and 1962 he had a 575.5 VORP (5th amongst catchers) and a .295/.383/.536 slash line while spending his entire career with the Dodgers. 1633 games behind the plate, 995 runs, 1738 hits, 220 doubles, 380 HRs, 1142 RBIs. At the time of his retirement he held the record for catchers for HRs and was 2nd in VORP.
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Hey kelric, I miss the OBL (White Sox owner) . Let's bring it back!!!
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