Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP Update 20.5.47 - OOTP 20 Available - FHM 5 Available

Collection Missions for Perfect Team Released!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Out of the Park Baseball 19 > Perfect Team

Perfect Team Discover the new amazing online league competition & card collecting mode of OOTP!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-10-2019, 11:18 AM   #21
ASURay
Minors (Double A)
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: WA
Posts: 194
Thanks: 0
Thanked 83x in 42 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Watts View Post
But if McLain is called McLain68 why would a three year average come into play? To me that is confusing matter to say the least. If three year averages are being used, McLain should be listed as McLain 67-69.
I don't think 3-year averages are used for PT cards. Using the 3-year average is an option in historical leagues, though.
ASURay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 11:34 AM   #22
Orcin
Hall Of Famer
 
Orcin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 8,526
Thanks: 3,600
Thanked 7,247x in 3,579 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip View Post
PT seems to take a three-year average (at best) of players and this rating makes sense for McClain.
Only on the All-Time Legends card series. The McLain is a Record Breaker.
__________________


My Fictional Dynasty: Orcin's Story ; The Sequel: Orcin Returns ; The Conclusion: Orcin's Brave New World
Orcin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 11:48 AM   #23
zrog2000
All Star Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,347
Thanks: 584
Thanked 886x in 528 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip View Post
WHIP in a league in which 8 players hit over .275 SHOULD be terrific. the LEAGUE WHIP was 1.18. So, no, he wasn't that great.

And only THREE pitchers allowed more than 23 HRs that season, so again, not so great.
He had the 4th highest WAR in the league, which adjusts for season and league. Having the 4th highest WAR is pretty great.

Pitching wins and WHIP is a terrible judge of any pitcher. It relies on the team's offense and defense, which are completely out of the pitcher's control.
zrog2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 12:11 PM   #24
Splitter24
Hall Of Famer
 
Splitter24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Willsboro, NY
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 66
Thanked 531x in 311 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by zrog2000 View Post
He had the 4th highest WAR in the league, which adjusts for season and league. Having the 4th highest WAR is pretty great.

Pitching wins and WHIP is a terrible judge of any pitcher. It relies on the team's offense and defense, which are completely out of the pitcher's control.
One of the advantages that a pitcher like McLain has in WAR calculations is the amount of innings that he pitched. Being able to pitch at an All Star level for 336 innings is valuable, but it doesn't make you more effective than the guy who is putting up the same numbers in 265 innings. And this shows up in his Fielding Independent Pitching numbers, where he ranks 4th in the league.

There is a IP/9 component in WAR calcs. This really shows up in the 1800's and into the Dead Ball era. If you believe that WAR is reflective of a pitchers ratings as opposed to his share of wins or value to a team, than you would be forced to conclude that almost all of the greatest pitcher ratings of all-time should belong to the ones who pitched before 1920.
__________________


Currently Reading: The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen


"Well, the game is afoot. Iíll take anal bum cover for 7,000." - "Sean Connery" SNL Celebrity Jeopardy

R.I.P. Tommy Holmes 1917-2008
Splitter24 is online now   Reply With Quote
Thank you for this post:
Leo_The_Lip (01-10-2019)
Old 01-10-2019, 12:15 PM   #25
zrog2000
All Star Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,347
Thanks: 584
Thanked 886x in 528 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splitter24 View Post
One of the advantages that a pitcher like McLain has in WAR calculations is the amount of innings that he pitched. Being able to pitch at an All Star level for 336 innings is valuable, but it doesn't make you more effective than the guy who is putting up the same numbers in 265 innings. And this shows up in his Fielding Independent Pitching numbers, where he ranks 4th in the league.

There is a IP/9 component in WAR calcs. This really shows up in the 1800's and into the Dead Ball era. If you believe that WAR is reflective of a pitchers ratings as opposed to his share of wins or value to a team, than you would be forced to conclude that almost all of the greatest pitcher ratings of all-time should belong to the ones who pitched before 1920.
Yeah, I'm fully aware. His FIP was 4th and his WAR was 4th as I mentioned. But saying he wasn't that great in 1968 is pretty inaccurate by any advanced stat measures. That was the only reason why I posted in this thread.

Last edited by zrog2000; 01-10-2019 at 12:16 PM.
zrog2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 12:23 PM   #26
Splitter24
Hall Of Famer
 
Splitter24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Willsboro, NY
Posts: 2,685
Thanks: 66
Thanked 531x in 311 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by zrog2000 View Post
Yeah, I'm fully aware. His FIP was 4th and his WAR was 4th as I mentioned. But saying he wasn't that great in 1968 is pretty inaccurate by any advanced stat measures. That was the only reason why I posted in this thread.
But it might help to explain to the earlier posters in the thread as to why, historically speaking, his ratings aren't all that special.
__________________


Currently Reading: The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen


"Well, the game is afoot. Iíll take anal bum cover for 7,000." - "Sean Connery" SNL Celebrity Jeopardy

R.I.P. Tommy Holmes 1917-2008
Splitter24 is online now   Reply With Quote
Thank you for this post:
zrog2000 (01-10-2019)
Old 01-10-2019, 04:01 PM   #27
Comedian2004
Hall Of Famer
 
Comedian2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida.
Posts: 7,085
Thanks: 0
Thanked 79x in 45 posts
Stuff: 80
Movement: 26
Control: 74
Fastball: 78
Curveball: 66
Slider: 48
Changeup: 88
93-94 speed
Ability to get in a fight with a marshmallow salesman: 120
__________________
Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]
Comedian2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 07:31 PM   #28
Comedian2004
Hall Of Famer
 
Comedian2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida.
Posts: 7,085
Thanks: 0
Thanked 79x in 45 posts
I just created a historical league from 1968 and ran it.

Denny won 19 games.. I used historical lineups and real transactions. I did not turn injuries off.. just remembered that...

But, what I noticed is his individual ratings are different than in PG.

BTW, the Tigers finished 3rd and the Twins won. Carew batted .388. Twins beating the Tigers out? Ah, now that is a bug!
__________________
Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]
Comedian2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 09:44 PM   #29
Leo_The_Lip
All Star Reserve
 
Leo_The_Lip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 892
Thanks: 483
Thanked 386x in 246 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Watts View Post
But if McLain is called McLain68 why would a three year average come into play? To me that is confusing matter to say the least. If three year averages are being used, McLain should be listed as McLain 67-69.
I thought I've seen one of the developers say that. At least that more than one year is used.
__________________
"It's great to be back in the Polar Grounds with the New York Knickerbockers." Casey Stengel at his press conference announcing his return to baseball.
Leo_The_Lip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2019, 09:54 PM   #30
Janks
Minors (Double A)
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 198
Thanks: 20
Thanked 62x in 49 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip View Post
I thought I've seen one of the developers say that. At least that more than one year is used.
The All-Time Legend cards are based on 5 seasons.
Janks is offline   Reply With Quote
Thank you for this post:
BoofBonser26 (01-11-2019)
Old 01-10-2019, 09:56 PM   #31
Leo_The_Lip
All Star Reserve
 
Leo_The_Lip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 892
Thanks: 483
Thanked 386x in 246 posts
Also, it should not be forgotten that 1968 was THE historical outlier year for dominant pitching--particularly in the AL. So much so they had to change the rules. Twisting 1968 into historical context simply won't work. It was too far off normal to even come close to a trend line.

McClain had a wonderful year, and we all enjoyed it--even those of us who weren't Tiger fans. However there was a lot of teamwork and good fortune involved in his season.
__________________
"It's great to be back in the Polar Grounds with the New York Knickerbockers." Casey Stengel at his press conference announcing his return to baseball.
Leo_The_Lip is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:03 AM.

 

Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

The Major League Baseball Players Association (www.MLBPLAYERS.com ) is the collective bargaining representative for all professional baseball players of the thirty Major League Baseball teams and serves as the exclusive group licensing agent for commercial and licensing activities involving active Major League baseball players. On behalf of its members, it operates the Players Choice licensing program and the Players Choice Awards, which benefit the needy through the Major League Baseball Players Trust, a charitable foundation established and run entirely by Major League baseball players. Follow: @MLB_Players; @MLBPAClubhouse; @MLBPlayersTrust

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2017 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2018 Out of the Park Developments