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Old 07-14-2010, 09:13 PM   #21
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That begs the question of what you are doing out of OT.
I'm starting my campaign for head to head again. Mr Kuffrey assured me it would be in OOTP 3 and I'm still waiting... patiently.

As to the topic of this thread, I agree, but am not stark raving mad about it.
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Sign me up General MD. This is a war worth fighting.
MD has disciples.
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I'm starting my campaign for head to head again. Mr Kuffrey assured me it would be in OOTP 3 and I'm still waiting... patiently.

As to the topic of this thread, I agree, but am not stark raving mad about it.
I'm still waiting for OOTP online
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Sign me up too.
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Alright, the man with the blood spattered circular saw avatar has joined our army. We're invincible now!
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And I shall send them to crush you!
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It's not a bug. It is a matter of getting every weird scoring rule handled correctly, and 99% are handled correctly. The other 1% is very hard to reproduce and frankly I haven't succeeded yet. By the way, the scoring engine was completely rewritten in OOTP 11 and it is much better than before.
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Well, that's honesty.

Markus, I hate to say it, but you need to do some serious work on that last 1%.

In a stats-based game the stats need to correct and reliable.
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Well, that's honesty.

Markus, I hate to say it, but you need to do some serious work on that last 1%.

In a stats-based game the stats need to correct and reliable.
I'm aware that this wont placate you, but I always rationalise that the MLB rules is overly complex and OOTP's makes more sense.
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Placate me? No. Face it, if Diamond Mind can get it right, then OOTP can get it right. It's just a function of focus and effort.
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It's not a bug. It is a matter of getting every weird scoring rule handled correctly, and 99% are handled correctly. The other 1% is very hard to reproduce and frankly I haven't succeeded yet. By the way, the scoring engine was completely rewritten in OOTP 11 and it is much better than before.
If the game needs to characterize a run as either earned or unearned the moment it is scored, then you're never going to get that 1% done.

Many instances of earned vs unearned remain open until the end of the inning. It seems (although I haven't paid as close attention to this in OOTP11 so maybe it's different), but it seems as though the game insists on characterizing a run as earned or unearned when it is scored.
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If the game needs to characterize a run as either earned or unearned the moment it is scored, then you're never going to get that 1% done.

Many instances of earned vs unearned remain open until the end of the inning. It seems (although I haven't paid as close attention to this in OOTP11 so maybe it's different), but it seems as though the game insists on characterizing a run as earned or unearned when it is scored.
I'm not Markus, but that's my understanding is that the game does indeed need to characterize a run as earned or unearned as soon as it is scored. This is probably due to the way the database is written to.
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For Markus to say that this is a 1% problem is to insult the the brains of people on this board. The example below, which comes from another post is a
common problem in the game. And it should not be hard to fix no matter what some may think.

True, there are 1% or so of the scoring rules that are hard to make work. So forget them. They don't cause such mistakes enough to matter. Fix they simple things and no one will expect perfection.
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Top of the inning - no outs

Batter Abel hits a triple - man on third, no outs

Batter Baker hits a single to center, centerfielder misplays the ball allowing Baker to reach second, runner Abel scores - scored 1b, RBI + E8 - man on second, no outs

Batter Charlie hits a home run, Baker and Charlie scores - bases empty, no outs

Batters Dog, Echo and Foxtrot make outs - end of inning

Official scorer charges the pitcher with 3 runs, 0 earned.
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And I have no doubt the ER computation was rewritten in OOTP11.
It is now a complete mess....and it was not previously.

Common OOTP, give the people complaining some credit. Adimit it is FUBAR and fix the d*mn thing right now so the game is playable as a simulation.
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True, there are 1% or so of the scoring rules that are hard to make work. So forget them. They don't cause such mistakes enough to matter. Fix they simple things and no one will expect perfection.
Notice what Markus actually said:

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It's not a bug. It is a matter of getting every weird scoring rule handled correctly, and 99% are handled correctly. The other 1% is very hard to reproduce and frankly I haven't succeeded yet. By the way, the scoring engine was completely rewritten in OOTP 11 and it is much better than before.
He didn't say he wasn't going to fix it. He said that he hadn't identified the problem yet.
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Elmerlee, it's not Abel, it's Able.

Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog...

Trust me on this, I was both Able Three and Baker Five.
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Elmerlee, it's not Abel, it's Able.

Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog...

Trust me on this, I was both Able Three and Baker Five.
That was my fault, not Elmer's. He just copied and pasted.

I blame lack of sleep or possibly insufficient blood caffeine levels.
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malleus (no caps was on purpose) :

Try not being such a smart mouth.
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Elmerlee, it's not Abel, it's Able.

Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog...

Trust me on this, I was both Able Three and Baker Five.
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malleus (no caps was on purpose) :

Try not being such a smart mouth.
Ok, time to get back to the topic before this slides any lower.

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shhhhhhhhhhh,

they are busy with new features for the game.

Important stats stuff is secondary, it doesn't sell the game.


In all seriousness, we shouldn't even bring this up. Should have been priority #1 from the get go.
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The other 1% is very hard to reproduce and frankly I haven't succeeded yet.
So, folks, if you are able to reproduce these incorrect scoring incidents, keep a copy of your league files handy so you can send them to Markus for analysis if requested.
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