Usage Tracker - Page 2

OutS|der · 09-20-2011, 02:45 PM

so it's just a one time upload during startup? or will it send info at other times?

Bluenoser · 09-20-2011, 04:00 PM

So obviously if this happens on start up, then it must be collecting that data from the previous time you started OOTP, right?

There will be plenty of variance, for example, one time I might open OOTP, update my online league file and spend a half hour doing things. Next time I might open up the game, pull up a solo league and maybe let it sim for 20 or 30 yrs, then walk away and watch TV or do something else while it's simming.

I don't see how you will gather any info that's reliable, since everytime I open OOTP it's probably going to be different usage, which definitely will not give any indication whatsoever of my usage, unless you gather a couple years (real time) worth of data.

snepp · 09-20-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

There will be plenty of variance, for example, one time I might open OOTP, update my online league file and spend a half hour doing things. Next time I might open up the game, pull up a solo league and maybe let it sim for 20 or 30 yrs, then walk away and watch TV or do something else while it's simming.

I don't see how you will gather any info that's reliable, since everytime I open OOTP it's probably going to be different usage, which definitely will not give any indication whatsoever of my usage, unless you gather a couple years (real time) worth of data.

What does it matter if the usage is different each time? Isn't that the point of collecting the data in the first place, to see how the game is being used?

In your case, it would show you using it for a variety of functions. Am I missing something?

kmaslan621 · 09-20-2011, 08:22 PM

am I gonna be able to say no at work and yes at home?

RchW · 09-20-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kmaslan621

am I gonna be able to say no at work and yes at home?

Nobody at work will ever know.

mgom27 · 09-20-2011, 10:03 PM

Will it help Leagues that exit before even getting into the Game?

kehowey · 09-21-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Yeah, I typically refuse such requests but you guys have earned enough of my trust over the years to allow it.

Count me in. I think Usage Tracker lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.

Andreas Raht · 09-21-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

so it's just a one time upload during startup? or will it send info at other times?

It's just a one time upload each time you start OOTP 12, exactly.

Andreas Raht · 09-21-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kmaslan621

am I gonna be able to say no at work and yes at home?

Yes, of course, if it's two different computers.

Andreas Raht · 09-21-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

So obviously if this happens on start up, then it must be collecting that data from the previous time you started OOTP, right?

Yes, it saves the accumulated counter values in a binary file on your computer. Whenever you close OOTP, it writes the updated data to the file. When you load OOTP next time, it reads from the file and sends the info to our server, where your previous data will be overwritten. To find your previous record in the database, we need the unique random key mentioned above, which is saved on your computer and also in our database.

Antonin · 09-23-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

..For sure this procedure is not unusual these days and I echo the sentiments of those above who are thankful for the explanation. You probably should continue to make this disclosure someplace prominent for future sales...

I agree. Reassurance is very important. I'm one of those peope who strongly dislikes the idea of information being collected about me by people I don't know. I dislike the idea of strangers having access to information about me that I have not put out myself. Even my Facebook page has only the barest information.

Privacy may be difficult to maintain these days, but at least I want to make snoopers work for what they get.

Celtic Forever · 09-23-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

In some ways it's too bad that it's anonymous, it would be cool if y'all could periodically post a list of the top 10, 20, 50 or 100 ootp addicts. Would be curious to see where I stand amongst(is that even a word?) my peers.

Amongst is totally a word. No - shhh! Shhhh! You're welcome!

OutS|der · 09-23-2011, 01:05 PM

can we get the network info that it would use, for example port numbers or whatnot just in case any who play at work can deal with firewalls and such.
or even be able to change the settings if need be

silvam14 · 09-23-2011, 01:07 PM

I'm not too concerned about this as I won't have much usage to track until (maybe) OOTP13.

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David Watts · 09-23-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I'm not too concerned about this as I won't have much usage to track until (maybe) OOTP13.

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I heard the main goal of this tracker was to find out how many people play with financials turned off. I think the goal is to make financial mandatory in the future.............

silvam14 · 09-23-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I heard the main goal of this tracker was to find out how many people play with financials turned off. I think the goal is to make financial mandatory in the future.............

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Andreas Raht · 09-23-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

can we get the network info that it would use, for example port numbers or whatnot just in case any who play at work can deal with firewalls and such.
or even be able to change the settings if need be

Same port as your browser uses when you open a web page.
If you can open a web page, OOTP should be able to run the usage tracker as well.

1998 Yankees · 09-24-2011, 11:46 AM

I'm actually starting to feel good about this in terms of improving game playability and perhaps determining the proper direction of this game for the future. For example, will the usage tracker be able to report the use of options, such as background music and animation, versus the amount of time the game is played? That would give clues as to how much certain features are valued by serious players. [Please, no debates on these features.]

Dr. dru · 09-24-2011, 12:38 PM

I'll be turning this off as I play this game more than 70 hours a week and I don't want anyone to know it's me. It's not worth losing my job over even if there is a small chance of this getting out. Anyone can hack the OOTP website and publish this info online.

bosunmate · 09-24-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. dru

I'll be turning this off as I play this game more than 70 hours a week and I don't want anyone to know it's me. It's not worth losing my job over even if there is a small chance of this getting out. Anyone can hack the OOTP website and publish this info online.

Where did you say you worked.....

09-20-2011, 04:00 PM	#22
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dartmouth, NS Posts: 11,136 Thanks: 1,128 Thanked 3,410x in 2,055 posts	So obviously if this happens on start up, then it must be collecting that data from the previous time you started OOTP, right? There will be plenty of variance, for example, one time I might open OOTP, update my online league file and spend a half hour doing things. Next time I might open up the game, pull up a solo league and maybe let it sim for 20 or 30 yrs, then walk away and watch TV or do something else while it's simming. I don't see how you will gather any info that's reliable, since everytime I open OOTP it's probably going to be different usage, which definitely will not give any indication whatsoever of my usage, unless you gather a couple years (real time) worth of data. __________________ "I don't think a manager should be judged by whether he wins the pennant, but by whether he gets the most out of the twenty-five men he's been given." Chuck Tanner Last edited by Bluenoser; 09-20-2011 at 04:02 PM.

09-20-2011, 10:03 PM	#26
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,058 Thanks: 1,780 Thanked 277x in 210 posts	Will it help Leagues that exit before even getting into the Game? __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

09-23-2011, 01:07 PM	#34
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 7,069 Thanks: 1,275 Thanked 5,735x in 2,079 posts	I'm not too concerned about this as I won't have much usage to track until (maybe) OOTP13. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

09-24-2011, 12:38 PM	#39
Dr. dru All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 647 Thanks: 206 Thanked 64x in 44 posts	I'll be turning this off as I play this game more than 70 hours a week and I don't want anyone to know it's me. It's not worth losing my job over even if there is a small chance of this getting out. Anyone can hack the OOTP website and publish this info online. __________________ If you don't feel well play OOTP all night and call me in the morning! Dr. Dru is your doctor. Listen to your doctor. He knows what's best for you.

09-20-2011, 02:45 PM	#21
OutS\|der All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Crackatoea Posts: 1,459 Thanks: 10 Thanked 449x in 302 posts	so it's just a one time upload during startup? or will it send info at other times?

09-20-2011, 08:22 PM	#24
kmaslan621 Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	am I gonna be able to say no at work and yes at home?

09-23-2011, 01:05 PM	#33
OutS\|der All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Crackatoea Posts: 1,459 Thanks: 10 Thanked 449x in 302 posts	can we get the network info that it would use, for example port numbers or whatnot just in case any who play at work can deal with firewalls and such. or even be able to change the settings if need be

09-24-2011, 11:46 AM	#38
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645 Thanks: 497 Thanked 755x in 505 posts	I'm actually starting to feel good about this in terms of improving game playability and perhaps determining the proper direction of this game for the future. For example, will the usage tracker be able to report the use of options, such as background music and animation, versus the amount of time the game is played? That would give clues as to how much certain features are valued by serious players. [Please, no debates on these features.]