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Old 03-19-2018, 02:40 PM   #21
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I will run sims later today, but my first impression is that starting pitcher stuff ratings are low across the board. (This is with 100% scouting accuracy BTW).

*Assuming* the player editor is doing a decent job estimating K/9, this is what I figure. For example, Scherzer has the highest SP stuff in the game at 70, which projects for a 10.5 K/9. He's beaten that mark each of the last 3 years, and ZiPS projects him for a 11.4 K/9 this year. Jon Gray, for some reason, has a 55 stuff, which projects for a 8.0 K/9, despite ZiPS projecting him for a 9.3 K/9 and having never been below 8.8 in the past.

Now, perhaps when I sim I'll find out that the player editor can't be trusted on that one, but my first impressions are that those ratings seem off.
The editor is not foolproof but it should be in the ballpark.

You might be right. I've reimported the ZIPS projections for a few starters and it generally ends up upping their stuff by a bit, though dropping their control from the original import.

So actually it may be the case that I need to do the same thing for any guys for whom I haven't already done so.

Let me know what results you get and if needed I'll add that to my to do list.
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The editor is not foolproof but it should be in the ballpark.

You might be right. I've reimported the ZIPS projections for a few starters and it generally ends up upping their stuff by a bit, though dropping their control from the original import.

So actually it may be the case that I need to do the same thing for any guys who I haven't already done so.

Let me know what results you get and if needed I'll add that to my to do list.
Sounds good. I hope I don't come across as too sensitive about ratings issues =).
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Sounds good. I hope I don't come across as too sensitive about ratings issues =).
Not at all!
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Manager stats

MLB managers do not have 2018 season stats
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:56 PM   #25
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MLB managers do not have 2018 season stats
The 2018 season hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure how we'd be able to add stats for it
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The 2018 season hasn't happened yet, so I'm not sure how we'd be able to add stats for it

I meant 2017 stats, sorry
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I meant 2017 stats, sorry
Yeah, see that now. Thanks! We'll get that sorted.
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Little bit of early data on pitching ratings. I will be running more sims once I figure out a better way to dump the data to CSV file.

In the first sim I ran, just 10 pitchers (with at least 100 IP) had a K/9 of 9.0 or greater (compared to 34 such pitchers in the real-life 2017 season). 18 pitchers had BB/9 rates under 2.0 (compared to 8 such pitchers in the real-life 2017 season).

Lukas, it would seem the overall trend is that stuff needs to go up, and command needs to come down.
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Little bit of early data on pitching ratings. I will be running more sims once I figure out a better way to dump the data to CSV file.

In the first sim I ran, just 10 pitchers (with at least 100 IP) had a K/9 of 9.0 or greater (compared to 34 such pitchers in the real-life 2017 season). 18 pitchers had BB/9 rates under 2.0 (compared to 8 such pitchers in the real-life 2017 season).

Lukas, it would seem the overall trend is that stuff needs to go up, and command needs to come down.
Hard to say whether that's a rating issue though or a league totals/modifiers issue. More likely to be a modifiers/totals issue actually.

In theory guys just having too low K ratings and too high control ratings shouldn't cause that to happen as long as there's still the proper amount of space between the better and worse guys in those categories and the league totals are set correctly.

What do the overall league totals in K's and BB's look like compared to 2017?
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Hard to say whether that's a rating issue though or a league totals/modifiers issue. More likely to be a modifiers/totals issue actually.

In theory guys just having too low K ratings and too high control ratings shouldn't cause that to happen as long as there's still the proper amount of space between the better and worse guys in those categories and the league totals are set correctly.

What do the overall league totals in K's and BB's look like compared to 2017?
I'll check, but I have to re-run the sim since the game crashed when I briefly switched to full-screen and then alt-tabbed out.
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Ran the sim again, got similar results as to the previous sim. Had 26386 innings pitched by starters, 20485 strikeouts, 8337 walks.

Real-life 2017 had 26787 innings pitched by starters, with 23691 strikeouts and 9330 walks.
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Ran the sim again, got similar results as to the previous sim. Had 26386 innings pitched by starters, 20485 strikeouts, 8337 walks.

Real-life 2017 had 26787 innings pitched by starters, with 23691 strikeouts and 9330 walks.
Ok, good data!

I really need to know the total numbers for the whole league as well.

Did RP's get an equivalent boost to what the starters lost?

Or is the league as a whole slightly low?
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Dustin Pedroia is currently healthy and on the Major League roster in-game; he should be listed as on the DL. Return date is looking at sometime in May.

I'll add in that Drew Pomeranz should be on the DL as well, though his return date is more uncertain.

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This is specific to the Yankees bc that's who I chose for my first franchise, but I assume it's an issue with the other teams as well. But the rosters are pretty messed up. First, a lot of guys who are on the Yankees 40-man are listed as not on the 40-man here. Also, guys like Chasen Shreve and Austin Romine, who will be on the opening day roster and neither of which have any options remaining, start off in AAA
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This is specific to the Yankees bc that's who I chose for my first franchise, but I assume it's an issue with the other teams as well. But the rosters are pretty messed up. First, a lot of guys who are on the Yankees 40-man are listed as not on the 40-man here. Also, guys like Chasen Shreve and Austin Romine, who will be on the opening day roster and neither of which have any options remaining, start off in AAA
We have only limited control over some of this, unfortunately. The 40-man rosters are setup by the ai, not by us.

Same with who goes where to start the year. We can control that to an extent by changing ratings to get the guys most likely to end up on the 25 man rosters there, but the ai ignores option years and things like that during the initial setup when deciding who makes the 25-man roster and who starts in the minors.

Shreve f.e. we'll work to get on the 25 man roster, that's probably just an oversight and needs a few tweaks. The ai prefers Heller now. Romine is a bit harder because the ai is taking the better player in Higashioka, because it ignores the options situation. I will see what we can do there.
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Ok, good data!

I really need to know the total numbers for the whole league as well.

Did RP's get an equivalent boost to what the starters lost?

Or is the league as a whole slightly low?
Had to re-run the sim again, but here were the results:
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Total: 43504 IP, 38330 K, 15823 BB
SP:  26488.2 IP, 20558 K, 8376  BB
RP:  17015.1 IP, 17762 K, 7447  BB

2017 IRL
Total: 43257 IP, 40104 K, 15829 BB
SP:  26787.1 IP, 23691 K, 9330  BB
RP:  16469.2 IP, 16413 K, 6499  BB
EDIT 1: FWIW, I remember something similar being true in last year's version, although the total number of strikeouts wasn't low. But in general, OOTP relievers strike out and walk more batters than in real life, and the opposite is true for OOTP starters.

EDIT 2: The league total modifier in the settings was set to 38982 K/15088 BB. That does explain the strikeout total being short, but not the discrepancy between SP and RP rates.

EDIT 3: In the default quickstart (with ratings mode changed to relative), there are 101 relievers with a Stuff of 70 or higher, and just 6 starting pitchers with a Stuff of 70 or higher. I'm not sure how easy it is to blanket-change ratings, but the biggest issue really does seem to be relievers getting too many strikeouts and starters too few.

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Thanks! Also, Kennys Vargas isn't on the Yankees. The Yankees traded Jake Cave to the Twins, and the Twins DFAd Vargas. The Yankees got Luis Gil in return
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David Hernandez, of the Cincinnati Reds, is missing his major league stats for 2016 and 2017, and I believe I found them... under a retired player named David A. Hernandez, who somehow retired in 2012 and has ML Stats for 2016-17
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Thanks! Also, Kennys Vargas isn't on the Yankees. The Yankees traded Jake Cave to the Twins, and the Twins DFAd Vargas. The Yankees got Luis Gil in return
Yeah, we screwed up on Vargas somehow, fixing that now. Cave and Gil should be correct though.

Ok, I got Shreve on the 25-man now. Romine, doubt it's possible unless I overrate him or underrate Higashioka by a lot.
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Had to re-run the sim again, but here were the results:
Code:
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Total: 43504 IP, 38330 K, 15823 BB
SP:  26488.2 IP, 20558 K, 8376  BB
RP:  17015.1 IP, 17762 K, 7447  BB

2017 IRL
Total: 43257 IP, 40104 K, 15829 BB
SP:  26787.1 IP, 23691 K, 9330  BB
RP:  16469.2 IP, 16413 K, 6499  BB
EDIT 1: FWIW, I remember something similar being true in last year's version, although the total number of strikeouts wasn't low. But in general, OOTP relievers strike out and walk more batters than in real life, and the opposite is true for OOTP starters.

EDIT 2: The league total modifier in the settings was set to 38982 K/15088 BB. That does explain the total being short, but not the discrepancy between SP and RP rates.
The league totals being short would be a League Total modifier issue as you note. The difference between the starters and RP's comes down to individual ratings though most likely and that might be ZIPS/player ratings related. I can probably fix that but it'll take some time.
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