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Old 04-18-2014, 02:36 PM   #61
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Great stuff, Bob. I love getting new fighters. It has been a while since I've had so many to add. Ratings look good to me. I only see the need for a few minor tweaks. Some of the fighters with HP over 2 don't have any 3 point punches. I'd add some. There were also a couple of guys with the clinch number equal to punches missed. Punches missed should always be lower for realistic clinching to occur.

I use use following tables
HP 3pt Range
1 0 to 3
2 3 to 6
3 6 to 9
4 10 to 12
5 13 to 15
6 16 to 20
7 21 to 25
8 26 to 30
9 31 to 36
10 37 to 42
11 42 to 44
12 45 to 47
13 48 to 50
14 51 to 54

The clinching number in the rating is merely a breakpoint. Numbers above the PM up to the CL number represent clinching while everything above the CL represents RM.
I generally use the table
PM - CL
57 - 67 to 69
58 - 68 to 70
59 - 68 to 70
60 - 69 to 71
61 - 69 to 71
62 - 70 to 72
63 - 70 to 72
64 - 71 to 73
If a fighter is a very crude, like a prize ring fighter in the Queensbury transition era I'll bump CL up to 74

Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing. You made my day, mate.
I was watching the Louis-Buddy Baer fight again the other day and noticed that Baer didn't seem to know how to clinch (or really use a jab either). How do you replicate that when creating a fighter?

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John Dewey inspired me to post current fighters from televised bouts. I took me a long time to feel any where near to comfortable regarding active fighters. Learned a lot from John Dewey, Jackyle, and Ice Tea along the way. I try to keep my creations in harmony with theirs for compatibility purposes. It is all still a learning process.
That's where the majority of my fighters will come from, bouts that have been recorded.

Yes I definitely would not say my ratings are by any means definitive, I'm generally placing most of the youngster/journeymen between 0-2 with better prospects or fighters with opponents already created, if worthy, with a slighter higher rating.

Those are the guys who have contributed plenty for the benefit of others.

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I was watching the Louis-Buddy Baer fight again the other day and noticed that Baer didn't seem to know how to clinch (or really use a jab either). How do you replicate that when creating a fighter?

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Numbers above the PM up to the CL number represent clinching while everything above the CL represents RM.

Give him a high punches missed number and have the CLbe just a bit higher. Be careful, though, everything above the clinch number up to 79 - 80 represents movement.
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Numbers above the PM up to the CL number represent clinching while everything above the CL represents RM.

Give him a high punches missed number and have the CLbe just a bit higher. Be careful, though, everything above the clinch number up to 79 - 80 represents movement.
Got my head around this now thanks. Just re-rated several fighters and testing them out.

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I was watching the Louis-Buddy Baer fight again the other day and noticed that Baer didn't seem to know how to clinch (or really use a jab either). How do you replicate that when creating a fighter?

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For fighters that aren't good at clinching, I give them a 1 or a 0 at clinching in the portion of the rating that assigns a numerical rating for inside, outside, clinching, and KO.
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