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Old 11-13-2019, 10:19 AM   #121
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At the risk of repeating myself again I will say that I have been a software developer for over 20 years. I am expected to give weekly and sometimes daily updates on my progress. When the customer is external and not internal updates are not only regularly expected but also required as a part of doing good business. So, having said all of that, I would expect for a project like this that has already been announced to the public to have updates at least monthly at a minimum.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:11 PM   #122
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Jim has always worked like this. No release date until the game is ready. He got screwed over in the past with announcing release dates. It’s been explained multiple times and yet people don’t get it.
That would be all well and good if people were demanding a release date, but they aren't. All anyone here is looking for is any sort of information/communication about whether or not this project still exists and what the relative status is. When you consider there hasn't been anything posted here from developers for 6 months and the forum has more DDSPF chatter than FOF, it's not really an unreasonable request.
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Old 11-13-2019, 02:50 PM   #123
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Frankly the problem is really simple-----THIS IS NOT the OOTP that long time customers knew !!!! This company has diluted it's product, it's principle simply refuses to respond anymore to customer input------in short it has developed into the proto-typical "We don't give a damn what the customer wants" company that only cares about what IT wants !!! Sad to see----this used to be a company that would have responded long ago to all the acrimony surrounding this game-----TODAY they sit by idly and both say and do nothing to assuage their customers !!
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:49 PM   #124
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Frankly the problem is really simple-----THIS IS NOT the OOTP that long time customers knew !!!! This company has diluted it's product, it's principle simply refuses to respond anymore to customer input------in short it has developed into the proto-typical "We don't give a damn what the customer wants" company that only cares about what IT wants !!!



i've been playing ootp since the 2nd version, and i've played fof since the very first version. please do not attempt to speak for me.
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:45 PM   #125
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Well, I went over to the 'dark side' today and bought Wolverines Draft Day Sports Football 2020.


Got fed up with this.
Thanks for the purchase! Welcome aboard - we're always excited to get new people in our community. If there's anything I can do to make your gaming experience more enjoyable just reach out (preferably through our site or social media options where I am most likely to see it)
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Old 11-14-2019, 12:41 AM   #126
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Thanks for the purchase! Welcome aboard - we're always excited to get new people in our community. If there's anything I can do to make your gaming experience more enjoyable just reach out (preferably through our site or social media options where I am most likely to see it)
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:07 PM   #127
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Gotta love the apologists swooping in. This was announced almost two years ago, with beta testing alluded to for Fall 2018. Don’t create a forum for a new game if you don’t plan on communicating with the fans you’ve hyped up, plain and simple.

No one is asking for a release date: people simply want a shred of communication more than once every six months.

Also, when BTS was the game in development, Francis was INCREDIBLE when it came to answering questions and providing thoughts/updates. We’ve moved from that to radio silence. THAT, along with people defending this appalling lack of communication to OOTP customers of years/decades (13 years here) is what is toxic.

Close the forum down if there’s nothing to say.
Agreed. This isn't about release dates. It never was. It's about giving us something. ANYTHING. Complete silence is disrespectful to your potential customers and your loyal OOTP customers. I get this is the way Jim worked on the past. But it's not his project alone anymore. Checking in to give an update every month saying something along the lines of 'we're hard at work but here's a little tidbit for you all...' is all anyone is asking for. Silence can easily be mistaken for the project being dead and you'll lose potential customers to other games because of that.
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Old 11-14-2019, 06:18 PM   #128
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I mean its inevitable that its gonna come out eventually, they've probably put a lot of work into it.

Just hope its by the Super Bowl at the minimum.
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:21 PM   #129
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The thing is we all know this game is going to be great.
Lol, do we really know that?
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:24 PM   #130
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I mean its inevitable that its gonna come out eventually, they've probably put a lot of work into it.

Just hope its by the Super Bowl at the minimum.
Which one? 55 or 60?
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Lol, do we really know that?
For me, I don't say it lightly. I have bought most of the versions of the game and think they are incredibly well done and enjoyable.

The biggest complaint over the years has been the dryness of the game. This version will address that issue.

Also, Jim is a perfectionist. To a fault, really. That is probably part of the cause of the delay. He is trying to make the game as good as possible.

I have no doubt it is going to be great.

You can have doubts. I don't. It is a day one buy for me.
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This is not the case, but wouldn't it be cool that the reason they are keeping it silent is because they want to surprise us that they got the NFL on board.... Wishful thinking.
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Old 11-16-2019, 01:24 PM   #133
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Old 11-16-2019, 02:54 PM   #134
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This is not the case, but wouldn't it be cool that the reason they are keeping it silent is because they want to surprise us that they got the NFL on board.... Wishful thinking.

EA had the sole rights to use the NFL and NFLPA licenses for over a decade. I'm assuming they still do. Should look it up. Either way, it was a jerk move for the NFL to sellout like that. It turned the Madden series into the garbage it is today.
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I must've checked this forum every day for 4 or 5 months. I just went a whole week without checking this place once. Honestly I'm proud of that. I hope the game comes out one day but I've relegated my hopes to be just dreams for now considering there hasn't even been so much as a screenshot in a year and a half since the announcement and 2+ years going back to the estimated start time of this project in June of 2017.
This pretty much sums up my attitude at this point. Sure, I'll be interested in such a game if and when it ever happens but I'm not wasting anymore time and emotion on what increasingly looks like a mirage. I'll wait for a mention in a newsletter, someday.
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This pretty much sums up my attitude at this point. Sure, I'll be interested in such a game if and when it ever happens but I'm not wasting anymore time and emotion on what increasingly looks like a mirage. I'll wait for a mention in a newsletter, someday.


Same here. I’m assuming that hopefully, the game will be released right before the start of next years NFL season.


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